Here’s part of Ronmt post on another thread…"I use a DT because I can hold more line in the air if I need to. When you get over 35 feet of a WF line out of the guides you just can’t hold the line in the air you have to shoot it. "
I’m curious…are there many of you that don’t know the reason???
I think it is something that should be part of the first casting lesson a newbie takes and I’ll bet it seldom is.
I think it is because you get to the back taper of many lines about there and the energy is not transferred to the line in the are well anough to keep casting.
Don
Okay Ducksterman, I’ll bite. Why?
Taxon
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Duckersterman;
Ditto to Taxon’s reply!!
Duckersterman, are you and Ronmt trying to tell us tha a WF line cannot be cast more than 35’ without shooting? Sure are a lot of fisherman out there who don’t know this.
ok, maybe it’s because I dont use dt lines, but what is the reason for having more line in the air?
Born to fish, forced to work.
I’m going to disagree on this one. At one time part of the FFF Master Certified Test required carrying 90 ft. of line in the air.
In other words, the whole fly line. It isn’t that hard if you know how to do the double haul properly. But for the average fly fisher it isn’t practical - but the point was to show you had the proper basics to preform the task. And yes, I can. And yes, that was with a Weight Forward line.
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I wondered if a really good caster would step up and say it could be done…and LF did and I’ll bet Ronmt can too…but I think physics is working against them…they’re just good enough to overcome the physics…I know when I realized what was going on my casting sure became easier with a WF…as JC says…“. See if you guys can figure this one out”.
Oh, I see JC added to his post…
I’ll be watching this one. I just hope I won’t have to run out and buy a DT line.
Leo C
This gets better and better. The “energy is not transferred to the line in that area” and “they’re just good enough to overcome the physics” . These statements are sure to give a physicist or mechanical engineer a good laugh. Sorry to be so blunt but this should be about casting and not false science.
I carry 60 or 70 feet of WF just fine, thank you very much. Think of a dog running hard to the end of a 30 foot leash. When he gets to the end of the slack he gets turned over pretty well, doesn’t he? And he’s a lot heavier than the leash, isn’t he?
Why indeed,
Why is it that anyone feels they need carry excesive amounts of line in the air to make longer casts?
This is a good one LOL I like the DT because I do not have to haul the line to keep her up there. But hey if you like to saw it have at it.
I to can keep the full line in the air WF or DT, but I have yet to cast to a fish while doing so. 
Ron
billknepp- To me 40 feet of line in the air is not a long cast to a rising fish. To some it may be. I saw Steve Rayjef throw a 70 foot right hand curve cast to a rising fish one time. Beautiful to watch.
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If you are casting to distances more then 35’ you should be shooting your line instead of reaching your casting distance by lengthining the line in the air during your false casts.
It is much more efficient method for delivering the fly. Think about it during the course of a days fishing if you are making say 5 or 6 false casts everytime you cast versus 1 or 2 false casts when shooting the line out. This translates into your fly being in the air alot more time then being on the water.
It makes sense that the more time your fly is on the water the better the chances of catching fish. It is all about effeciency.
This is all too tech for me, … I look where I want the fly to land (and the line so I can mend) and the line/leader/fly just go there
Christopher Chin, Jonquiere Quebec
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Ron,
In fishing,If anyone needs to cast more than thirty feet,They should try moving forward/upstream…IMHO…
On lakes and other wide/deep waters I know that may not be the option…and you may have the need for the longer casts…
either way yes It takes a lil hauling…lol…I don’t do it all the time,but in practice I do practice tossing the whole line along with some backing…I have done this on the “River” a few times while fishing when needed…But all you need is the first 30 or so ft (The belly of the line) out the rod tip to make the long cast… with only 1 false cast…But my first Flyfishing was intended for the persuit of Pike…and I did everything accordingly…lol…well what I had thought was what was needed at that time…I have since found alot of what Dalberg says is needed is really not… But still good to have in your arsonal!
I don’t think it would be all that enjoyable if one were to go out and “Haul” every cast all day long, No matter what fishing they are doing!!!..But maybe there is fishing out there that I myself would not find all that enjoyable…??..who knows.
Edit… In reply to Ladyfisher’s reply Below…
Ladyfisher…I do think you know what I had meant…lol…That all out full distance hauling is not the requirement most of the time…I toss alot of casts without even a forethought with hauls…some single some double…depending on what I must do to do what must be done…I guess like Chris says…I see where I want the fly…and I put it there 99% of the time
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Bill, I don’t want to shock you, but I use the double haul all the time. Even when fishing my little 3 wt. It accomplishes several things; it divides the work between both hands instead of just my casting hand, increases the line speed which dries off my dry fly faster, thus requiring less false casting. Creates enough line speed to be able to place a cast as needed, (left-hand curve cast etc) easier…or to be able to fish in wind conditions. None of these you will note have anything to do with distance.
Just didn’t want you to miss out.
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It’s my understanding that all accomplished casters [well, almost all] double haul all the time…why not?
I’m sure if I could at the end of the day I’d be less tired.
Anyone want to go to the original question?
Respect Your Elders!
Getting this stuff out of the way…[I think most of the time if you cared enough to respond you desire a reply…even if the reply is a bunch of B$…
bluehackle …no
garic …not quite sure what you mean…it could be a whole other discussion
Leo c …you know I should probably be using DT more than I am.
bluehackle…I think you are playing semantics …physics is always in play…no one defined the physics…just talking casting…I learned a long time ago in the golf swing the physics were always disputed.
billknepp…I think it’s because our casting abilities vary…e.i. I think I can carry line better than shoot…not proud of that…I’ve got a little aside about distance …later…
idaho…very true IMO too.
Chris…I’ve heard [seen] to much of you to fall totally for that but if indeed you are so “feel” oriented it is a gift…
Respect Your Elders!
Duckster,
Casting is all about “Feel” without feel…one could not cast at all…
[EDIT]And I’m sorry this has went to a discussion of hauling…as I did not intend for that… 
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