Jim Hatch
You always seem to be able to put things in persepective. That is one of the things I admire about you.
Okay, I am sure that this is not the direction that dleo intended this thread to go. Maybe it is. Now I don’t subscribe much to political correctness. IMHO there is as much b.s. on one side of the political isle as the other. What I am fearful of is that if someone posts something on Sound Off that is…
Oh he*& why bother.
Is it spring yet? I miss fishing!
Lucky, you are entitled to your opinion, but I respectfully disagree. You should not feel pressured to conform to anything I or anyone else says, unless you weigh it and deem it true and worth believing. I certainly don’t look at opposing views and feel pressure to conform. This is where I believe your argument misses the mark: political correctness is not so much about direct pressure to conform as it is direct pressure to suppress opposing viewpoints. I will never try to suppress someone else’s viewpoint. If an idea, mine or anyone elses, can’t hold it’s own in the arena of ideas, then hopefully it is trashed, no matter it’s political persuasion.
And, as LF said, when was the last time a husband, father, or Christian (especially a white guy) was painted in a favorable light in any of the media that we use daily? They are all weak, buffoon sperm donors. Or if Christian, then they are characterized as Nazis or extremists. I love the idea of compromise and mutual respect, but what if you or your worldview is attacked or ridiculed daily?
DW
Don’t ya just feel the love?
Actually I read and see on a daily basis those people that Dustin mentioned in a favorable light. But then I live in the Mid West. I must say that Pat Robertson’s comment about Sharon’s stroke being a result of God’s wrath, has generated some discussion. But then he does have a habit of putting his foot in his mouth. But he is human like the rest of us. But unlike the rest of us he is out front. So I guess in that sense it would appear that a Christian would come across as being a Nazi.
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Someone wake me when it’s spring and fishing season is open again … or not.
Trouts don’t live in ugly places
Hey Anglerdave,
Thank you sir, I think!G My opinion
of PC is that it has a lot less to do with
political than it does correctness. There
are those of us that lean one way or the
other and some of us that fall flat on our
face from time to time. I can respect a
mans opinion without agreeing with it. We
all get where we are in this life based on
the way we are brought up, the various
stimuli we’ve been exposed to, and maybe
even what our wives tell us we can think.G
But if my thinking differs from yours in
some aspect of this life, it does not mean
we can’t interact favorably on some good
trout or gill waters and enjoy each others
company. Nor does it mean we have to be
ugly to each other if we should discuss our
differences be they political, religious,
or whether nymphing is really flyfishing.G
As to when spring is and the fishing gets
good again, you’ve got me there. My weather
has been up and down like a yoyo. Friday,
there were red eared sunfish in the shallows
and one fisherman I spoke to had 15 over a
pound each. The locals were talking about
the fish being screwed up by the weather and
going through a false spawn!? Then on
Saturday, a cold front moves in and things
are totally different. We had three
tornados in our area and one of them nailed
a trailer park as they so often do. If you
don’t like the weather, wait a few minutes
and perhaps it’ll be more to your liking.G
I’m not sure what it means, but my grass is
turning bright green again and I’m worried
I may have to break out the tractor and mow
again.G Warm regards, Jim
Jim
Yesterday it was 60 and today it’s 30! Now if that isn’t nuts. Had the yak and fly rod already to head to the river yesterday after church, but our daughter and family came over. Oh well.
Betty is one of those who doesn’t want to hear any opposing viewpoints.
Bluehackle,
“Betty is one of those who doesn’t want to hear any opposing viewpoints.”
Comments like that serve no purpose. I wish you had not said it. You have your viewpoint and she has hers, but to accuse Betty of not wanting to listen to other viewpoints is uncalled for (and wrong).
jed
This place has been my home. I learned almost everything I know about fly fishing from this site and the people who come here. FAOL has been teacher, meetinghouse, shelter, and standup comedian each day I?ve visited. Because of FAOL, I?ve learned to tie flies. I?ve learned how to cast a line (not very well, I?ll admit) and build a rod. I?ve learned that women are welcome among fly fishers and that there are plenty of us among you. I?ve learned how to buy a reel, how to choose a fly, use knots. I?ve learned that congeniality is way more important than just being an expert. Gathering places develop a spirit of their own and FAOL?s got one heck of a spirit. It?s generous, smart, welcoming, practical, compassionate, and, for some reason, the feathers and fur just smell RIGHT here. Thanks, JC and LF, for creating all of this and keeping it going so long. Thanks to all of you for being family.
What I hope is that ANYONE who is interested in flyfishing and who stumbles upon this website feels welcome here? welcome to ask questions, tell us their stories, and talk about fly fishing until the cows come home and then some. That can happen if we respect each other and acknowledge that we?re all different and agree that that?s ok. FAOL members are blonde, women, Poles, Newfies, feminists, academics, rednecks, rich, poor, Asian, Black, conservative, radical, liberal, Jews, gay, straight, young, old, and on and on and on. Pretty much everyone who comes here understands that if we want kids to feel welcome here, we don?t offend them or their parents. It shouldn?t be a big stretch to go from that to realizing that if we want all types of people to come here to talk about fly fishing, we should try not to offend them. That seems inclusive to me. I don?t know what politically correct means. But I do know what inclusive means. And I know the opposite of it is exclusive, as in to exclude. The only people I want to feel excluded from FAOL are the people who don?t treat the rest of us with respect.
Diane
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming-WOW—What A Ride!
Jed,
It was Betty who said “Someone wake me when it’s spring”.
Hey Diane,
You and Aretha Franklin nailed it!
Warm regards, Jim
Betty, get off your butt and hit the warm weather for a few days, you deserve it.
Diane great post.
LF, FAOL is your baby and you do one heck of a job. JC ain’t so bad either.
The only line I want to see is the one attached to a huge snook and have all the florida fish in folks witness it (just once in my lifetime). Hope I can land it.
Philip
I agree that the whole PC pressure thing has gone way to far, but there is pressure from both sides to try and paint their opposition’s opinions as some how subverting basic American ethos, tradition, morals . . . While at the same time suggesting that their position embraces these things. This is usually intermingled with exaggerated or untrue claims about whoever it is we disagree with.
For instance, I wouldn’t call ALF “eco-terrorist”. Primarily, because Animal rights and the environment are two distinct issues. But also because they are not terrorist in the truest since of the word. Their viewpoints may be extreme and their methods unfavorable, but as far as I know they didn’t intentionally harm other humans. But by using a tag word that implies violence you can completely deligitimize the position behind these people’s action. Its kind of like labeling someone as not “PC”.
And Patriotism isn’t out. Its just that some people can’t recognize it in its truer forms. We are a nation founded on free speech, civil disobedience, and fundamental liberties that are supposed to be isolated from majoritarion pressure. Exercising or advocating these things is not anti-patriotic; however, turning a blind eye to the injustices that occur around us would be.
Geeezzz Diane,( and I want to say NO SHOOT).but I think we were talking PC and PETA and somehow you threw in everything you could think of in kind of a cover it all cute little Goody, goody two shoes speech. Bet you were the teacher’s pet…LOL. Please, no offense intended, but that is just how it came across. I’m sure you will have your defenders write in now, anyone who doesn’t agree with JC and LF and reads more into things than are there. I wouldn’t be surprised if all of this were dropped soon and we will all get back to fishing.
You’re right. I asked to be waken in the Spring. Not because I don’t want to hear opposing views (he**, I’ve been married to Cary for 38 years!!), I’m just tired of all the bickering and, I’m right, therefore, you’re wrong. Some people have the tendency to get all bent out of shape long before they know any of the facts … as if the facts would make any difference. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again … life is too damn short for this nonsense. I would choose to wake in the spring, when people are more agreeable, out of their self imposed incarcerations of winter, and happily fishing for the next big one!
Trouts don’t live in ugly places
Dustin,
Thanks for the respect in your response. Although we clearly disagree on our world view, I can assure you that my world view is assailed daily AND I believe what you tell me when you say that your view is assailed daily. Why should I not believe that? I assume that you are a reasonably intelligent person who investigates issues for himself and does not necessarily just believe what he is told by the leaders of his chosen political affiliation. All that people like me ask is for the same in return and not to be painted with a broad brush. There are nuts on my side and nuts on yours but there are also solid intellignet people with good moral/ethical values with whom we happen to disagree politically. I believe our country would take large steps forward with a return to civil discourse between dissimilar folks and an abandonment of the current trend toward labels, name calling, quick answers to complex problems, and disrespect.
Respectfully,
Matt
I believe Lucky nailed it when He said "There are nuts on my side and nuts on yours " What is sometimes lost in the translation is that the vast majority of us are some where in between the nuts on both sides of any controversy and have the good manners and sense to stay out of it . What is sad is that usually only the Nuts get their point noisily across , the rest of us quietly stay out of it .
LF , I loved your article , unfortuantely I missed the “joke” so am really not up to speed on the beginnings of the PC question .
No matter I’m gonna go tie some flies and veg out . Cheers
“Only dead fish go with the flow!”
I like that! It’s cool. Did you make that up?
JC,
“First of all, she owns the website and will continue to write whatever she wants to. You, however, are restricted by the ‘rules’ of this BB.”…
So…what you’re telling us then is that you’re…second banana ???
BG
Runnning an’ ducking…
Jeremy. (who’s all too familiar with that handles …grins…)
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i only catch fish that agree with me-ask my wife??
bob faorite past-times winter steelie fishing-fall bow-hunting-would write more but with my typing i would be here for wks.??