I have a few questions about tying a fly and submitting it for a FOTW.
Do I have to state who created the fly who is still around?
If so and I don’t really mind, I just don’t particularly care for the fellow…but do I have to
have his permission or approval to tie said fly and submit it?
Can I simply tie this fly, provide a bit of history or narrative about the fly, and give credit to the originator, without ever even having to talk to the man? He is not living in my area anymore but still in AZ.
flybugpa…I am NOT talking about the special fly you sent me…grin. Just in case you are wondering about this post…
I would like to just take pics of the steps, explain the fly, give credit to the originator and submit it. Plain and simple. But I do not want to cross any boders icw plagarism or copywrite laws etc. He is indeed listed in a giant book he showed me as the creator of this fly.
I don’t want to get in a pickle over it. But it is a very successful fly and has been considered a go to fly up here where I live and an old standard around here.
hmmmmmm, a copy righted fly. Jim Teeney did it. Still many people post up copies of the Teeney Nymph. I think all you need to do is give credit where credit is due.
Thanks Kerry. I probably overthunk it. I doubt he copyrighted it. He just complained to me that about 4 people have claimed to be the originator and it was he. Then he pulled out a hughe hardbound book and showed me where it is listed and as he the creator. With so many claims…and I making NO claims…guess it would be pretty hard to get in trouble over submitting how to tie it as a FOTW huh?
It’s a well known fly in AZ. It has been publicized. It is shown and material list is in a book called “Flies of the Southwest”. It is an ok book. Good clear pics of approx 52 flies with material list. I think it’s title is a tad mis-leading but that is just my opinion. The author basically learned and tied all those flies here in the White Mountains of AZ. I personally think it should be titled Flies of the White Mountains, as opposed to the entire Southwest. It is all stillwater flies from experience in all the lakes up here.
But anywhooo…it now causes me to realize if it’s picture is published in a book along with the fly tying material list…it should be no problem for me to submit it as a candidate for a FOTW.
Aha! My question has been answered. Not by anyone in particular but I have, after reading this thread, come to realize if it is published somewhere with tying instructions there should be absolutely no trouble posting it.
I just took a look at Mike Yeager’s book, “Fly’s of the Southwest” and HE quotes HIS source as another book and person from 1991. He is NOT giving credit to the same person who has told me “HE” invented the fly. Soooo…with so many different claims to someone being the originator…I think no problem just doing a how to on the fly.
My curiosity no longer exists. I will try to do it someday although I never have. So taking the pics might be a challenge. Getting color right and all that jazz.
When you do come up with a neat, effective, original pattern that slays the fish, how would you like it if 6 months later you saw “Your” pattern on the internet or published in a book under some else’s name?
I once found one of my signature patterns on a club website with statement that read that the tier had been shown the pattern "by a guy at the Southern Council Conclave in Mountain home, Arkansas (i.e. ME!), and he called it the " – ", but I call it the “Smith’s pattern” (or whatever his name was). Yeah, the idiot!
Years ago, my buddy and I changed the colors on a Jack Gartside pattern. In streams in this part of the country, “our pattern” works much better than Jack’s, but for over twenty years, whenever we tie it at FFFconclaves and shows we ALWAYS state that “It’s a Jack Gartside pattern. We just changed the colors.” Afterall, it is Jack’s pattern!
As one who’s patterns have been “claimed” and published by others, you should alway give credit to the author of the pattern… I always do.
I would just credit Yeager’s book as your source. If you knew for sure who created it you could include that, but it sounds like there might be a dispute.
Do you need to track down Len Halliday’s heirs to post an Adams?
As long as you give credit where credit is due, you should be fine becuase it is a previously published pattern.
I went to school in Prescott and lived there for 4 1/2 years. I spent a good deal of time hiking around and fishing the area between Strawberry and Snowflake. It is impressive how diverse the fish are in some of those spring-fed creeks.
I am interested in the pattern you have and look forward to seeing it.
I know Mike Yeager. I asked him one time about what if one ties his fly’s out of his book. He said nothing wrong with that. I said what if one ties his flies and sells them. He said there is nothing illegal about that either…BUT…do not quote or use information from his book or he could sue me. That is why I was unclear what flies one can tie, and what one can do with said flies. Obviously one can tie them and fish with them. In any other area I was leary.
It is a great fly and well known around here. If you can find it, it is simply called Peacock Lady. It is simply a fore and aft with a herl body and tail. Some use red tail, some use pheasant. It now has a few varieties. But it indeed has been a good fly around here. No doubt about it. No fly I don’t think is an absolute…but the Peacock Lady is THE go to fly around here. It has been tied with and without beadhead, various tails and hackles, ribbed and not ribbed. But it is a neat fly that really works.
Lon Ellington tells me he created the fly and showed me the big book of credits on flies with him listed as the creator. Mike quotes a book “Patterns of the Masters” (1991) as his source. So I could give credit to boaf and be ok. Lon is not worried about how well known the fly is or it’s use. He just is annoyed others have claimed to be the creator. He spent many years up here but is now in Phoenix.
I see no reason why I cannot tie one up, take a photo and post it in a thread. It would just be showing a fly. I can do that…and will. It just may take a while. Kind of busy. But I will get it done since I have created interest in it. It may disappoint some when they see it considering it is just a fore and aft with a tail but it again is a great and successful fly.