Rookie Fly Tying questions

I am brand new to fly fishing. I have only made a couple of trips, but although the first fish I caught was only hooked for a few minutes, it hooked me for life. Just ask Jack, I was grinning from ear to ear, I think he knew right then I was hooked hard.

Anyway, I’ll try to get to the point, I am suppose to have another knee surgery in a week or so, and I am going to be laid up for a few weeks. I thought it would be a good time to try fly tying. I have looked at one of our sponsors Hook and Hackle for the tools. Anybody have any suggestions as to what I need? I can’t afford to spend a fortune, especially when I am going to be off work for a little while, but I am leaning toward the Professional tool kit for $34. I hope to do this for a very long time, and I assume it would be better than the beginner’s kit. I don’t know how to add a link for you to click on and see the one I mean, but if you click on vises and scroll down you will see it on their website.

As I will mostly be fishing warm water creeks and streams I was also wondering what sort of flies should I try tying? And what materials do I need? I want to get a list up, so I can go ahead and order the stuff I need. I need to go ahead and order while my wife feels sorry for me and will let me spend the money. lol :wink:

Thanks in advance,
hNt

That tool kit should do for starters though you will probably want other stuff later after you form some opinions about the ideal vise and other tools. As for pattern I would turn the question around. What flies do you fish now? What sizes? Tell us what you like and someone can tell you how to tie it.

Have you read Al Campbell’s articles??
http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flytying/kit/
http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flytying/beginners/

Then there’s the pattern archives
http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flytying/fotw2/archive.php
There should be more than a few (dozen) patterns appropriate for your waters.

Yeah, lots of homework… Have fun! (and well wishes for a good recovery)

At the risk of showing my own ignorance, and as much as I hate to admit this, I really don’t know one fly from another.:oops: That is another thing I hope to work on in the upcoming weeks. That probably doesn’t help you much, but that is the best answer I know to give. So, any suggestions at all will be very much appreciated, and as you can tell, Bugsy is right I have ALOT of homework to do.

thanks,
hNt

Jason,

If you can find the time to come down on either a Friday, Saturday or Sunday I will set you up with a vise and I think I can come up with the basic tools that you will need plus some tying material to get you started. All at no charge to you. Then all you will need to do is go to the Menu and click on “Beginner’s Fly tying” and follow Al’s instructions.

Just let me know…

Way to go, Warren. HNT, you can’t beat an offer like that with a stick.

I always send new folks I meet to Al Campbell’s fly tying series. If you start at the beginning you build a skill set in the proper order. One skill develops into the next and so on. If you work your way through all the lessons, not only will you be a pretty accomplished tier, you’ll have a really nice bunch of flies to fill your boxes with.

REE

Jason,

Hop on Warren’s offer. He taught me more in three hours than I had learned in four months on my own.

Just get going on this aspect of the hobby and you will be hooked both, emotionally and financially. :wink:

Since trout eat 90% subsurface, you will want to concentrate on those type of flies. I have concentrated on woolly buggers since I have found they work for me most of the time under all conditions.

Local libraries usually have several fly tying books so you don’t need to buy a lot of books. And, there are many videos available on-line on just about every type of fly or fly tying technique.

BTW, I met you last week on the Duck while you were fishing with Jack H.

a good kit wil do for starting learning around 30 up to 60$… gotta warn ya though about the sickness… (FLYITUS) if ya end up liking fly tying, ya gonna get the sickness… you gonna see flytying material every where ya look… in the yard, in the carpet, ya neighbors pets, ya wifes sewing stuff, everywhere… its a lot of fun tying your own flies… ya aint limmited to buying only flies the fly shops have… ya can change up paterns a bit & come up with some of your own…

http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff231/bugman9/?start=all

BE WARNED! My Mother in law got me a starter kit from Cabelas some years ago. Fly tying is like rod building. IT WILL SUCK YA IN LOL. Go for it. Two books that really helped me was drys and nymphs by Randall Kaufman. Check out the archives here by Al Campbell, and the family here will give ya plenty of pointers

Jason,

I looked through my fly tying archives and I have the vise you were looking at and thinking about buying from Hook and Hackle. I bought it from them several years ago and it is still in very good condition. I also have a complete set of tying tools made up of a bodkin, bobbin with a spool of black 6/0 thread on it, a bobbin threader, scissors, whip finisher and dubbing loop spinner. All yours if you want it. You just have to make the trip here to get it. I am off work on Friday, Saturday and Sunday and we could possibly go fishing while you are here. If you cannot make it on one of those days, I can leave the vise and tools at Jack’s place and you can pick them up there. Your call…

Welcome home Clyde, shoot good buddy, where the heck you been? ! !

Cheers, ! !

MontanaMoose ! !

Warren, Sent you a PM

Jason,

Good luck with your surgery and recovery! I have one fly for you…wooly bugger! Catches many, many fish and easy to tie. :wink:

Mark

I hope Mark (Scientist) does not mind, but, he is what this site is all about and that is sharing. He has offered to send some tying material for Jason to get started with. This is what FAOL is all about…sharing!:wink:

FAOL really has some great people on board and I am very proud to be a part of this great site.

Thank you Mark. Your gesture tells a lot about you and it is all good.

I thank you and I know Jason will too…

I’m new to tying also and I bought the Professional kit from Hook and Hackle. I think it serves me right except that the bobbin is of poor quality. I was breaking thread due to a burr. I bought a ceramic tip bobbin and things are good. Good luck in your new hobby.

Warren,

That is very nice of you and greatly appreciated. I sent you a PM. I just can’t believe how nice everyone is on FAOL and it makes me proud to be a member. I just hope that someday I can help someone out like this.

Thanks again,
Jason

HungNTree:

2 years ago I was exactly in the position where you are now. I hadn’t even gone out to fish yet and I was just starting to tie flies. I had NO IDEA what I was doing. Here’s how I started my learning process.

I bought the Bass Pro Shop’s trout fly tying kit. The Cabelas Trout Kit is pretty much the same thing. They both come with an inexpensive but totally usable vise, a bobbin and some thread, several dozen hooks, feathers, fur, dubbing, peacock herl etc. And most importantly, a DVD that shows you how to tie the flies. (Mine actually had a VHS tape. Luckily, I still have a VHS player)

I eventually mounted my vise on a little custom box that I made in my woodshop. It was a quick 20 minute project and I’m still using it 2 years later. Here’s a thread with some pictures of that workbench/box

http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/showthread.php?t=12965&highlight=newbie+bench

In the 2 years since I’ve started buying more feathers and chenille and hooks and everything else. It’s easy to just buy a bit of everything and get overwhelmed. But here is a bit of what I’ve learned in my very brief fly fishing experience:

There are 4 very general categories for basic types of flies. Dry flies, wet flies nymphs and streamers.

Dry flies represent a bug that has either landed on the surface or has just emerged from the water and is now floating on the surface. Mayflies will hatch, come to the surface, pierce through the surface tension and extend their wings. They need to spend 30 seconds to a minute or so to dry those wings before they can fly. During that time they’re vulnerable to being eaten. That’s an example of what you’re trying to mimic with your fly. At the other end of the life cycle bugs will land on the surface to lay their eggs. So dry flies mimic anything floating on the surface.

Dry flies have a reputation for being what “pure” fly fishing is about. I think it’s the most fun way to fish. But it tends to be difficult and technical fishing. You really need to watch your fly placement and drift to get dry flies to work well. And you’re almost always casting to a fish you can see rising to the surface to take bugs rather than just prospecting.

Wet Flies: I’ve only tied a few of these and my knowledge is really sketchy as to what they are suppose to represent. I’m sure there are folks here that can describe them better. They generally have a soft hackle behind the hook eye that looks like legs of a spider.

Nymphs: These are your bread and butter flies. Most of what fish eat is under water, not on the surface. So you fish these on the bottom or just above the bottom. I’ve now caught more fish with nymphs than dry flies. You usually use a strike indicator with a nymph so you can see if a fish hits your fly. But there are people with enough experience that they can just feel the strike. I can’t do that yet. I haven’t caught enough fish to learn that technique :wink:

Streamers: These are flies like wooley buggers, leaches, minnows etc.

Remember, these are very generalized descriptions.

I’ve collected several books on fly tying. But the one I keep coming back to is Essential Trout Flies by Dave Hughes. He teaches how to tie a particular style of flies, and then he gives 6 variations on that fly that use exactly the same technique but with different colors or materials. He also tells you what the best sizes are to tie for each pattern. His idea is to tie 2 fly boxes worth of flies that will pretty much take care of most needs on most streams and rivers. But he also gives plenty of variations so you could easily fill a dozen fly boxes if you tied everything in the book.

The other nice thing is that at the end of every chapter he gives a brief description of how to fish those flies.

So enjoy it. It’s a fun hobby. Don’t stress out if your flies don’t look right at first. And don’t stress out if it takes you a long time to tie a single fly. Just enjoy the process.

Oh, and take care of that knee. We gotta get you out fishing.

Roberts618,

I didn’t realize you were a FAOL member Thursday. Nice to meet you online. :smiley: I got to get back down there on the Duck, it simply isn’t fair, you guys get to go fishing down there all the time. :slight_smile:

Jason

Hey!

Take a class at your local fly shop. You’ll learn rapidly and gain confidence and meet other addicts. I didn’t; i wish I did.

Be patient on the river… the trees move out of your way once you reach your season bag limit.

Jason;
It has been a real pleasure fishing with you. I get a bigger charge out of watching someone catch their first fish on a fly than fishing! You were doing some big time catching Monday!! Now I want to get a photo of you catching one on a fly you tied! You just get down here on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday and take some tying lessons from Warren. I’ll serve up some of those ham sandwiches you like on home made bread while you and Warren are at the tying bench. I may even lead you down the path to making furled leaders!:rolleyes:

Ivan,
I’ve got it so bad I get the shakes after awhile.