Picric dyed flies

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There is no funny side to such nonsense. I am pretty certain that the owners and members of this board are not at all interested in your brand of “fun”. I most certainly am not. You and your yob cronies indulge in gratuitous and malicious trouble-making for the fun of it, and most boards simply don’t want that. Indeed, I have recently documented some of your efforts, as they may be germane in a court case for libel. You incited other people to cause trouble by posting rubbish to various UK boards. This is a proven fact, the posts are still there, and I have copies of all of them, and all references to them by others, as do the parties concerned, so there is little point in denying it.

Also germane here, your and others efforts have driven the owner/admin on one of those boards almost to distraction, incited a mob reaction which nearly caused a riot, ruined his holidays, upset a great many people, and almost destroyed the board. You have certainly damaged it very considerably.

If I were you, I would think twice before you try it here. Indeed, it might be a very good idea to go away, and leave these nice sensible people in peace.

I don’t need “fans” like you. Or indeed any “fans” at all. I subscribe to these boards because I am interested in fishing. I can learn a lot, and I can also help others. I am most certainly not interested in trouble.

I have informed the owners of both boards that you are now trying to stir up trouble on American boards as well. Cross posting links to other threads you and other yobs manipulated. Doubtless you will be hearing from them shortly.

If you try it on other boards I read, I will post exactly the same to their owners as well. People who use these boards are not stupid, and they soon realise who is up to what. You are a disgraceful shower, and it is mortifying that you are also British. Stick to the playgrounds you have already reduced to your own abysmal level, and leave decent people alone.

In the meantime, I would seriously advise board members to ignore these people, until JC and Ladyfisher can deal with them. They will otherwise fill your forum with rubbish and cause chaos.

Mike Connor

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Mike it’s you that always argues black is blue thankfully most of the u.k forums have seen sense and banned you. Yet again another thread has been ruined from you’re first post on it.

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Not only are you telling lies again sonny boy, you are wasting people’s time.

Unfortunately for you, many of the people here, and in many other places, know me quite well. I have no doubt whatsoever that you will presently be banned on both boards. You might as well tell your mates not to waste their time either, I have a list of names and IP addresses of those involved, and I will forward it to the owners of any board you post on with the intention of causing trouble.

Hiding behind a pseudonym will do you no good at all.

Now go away and learn to behave yourself.

Mike Connor

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What are you going on about?

This is a thread about Picric flies!

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Is it only me that can see the irony in you telling someone to behave after you recent performances.

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Guys,
If you want to talk about dyes that explode, I’m all for that. But please, take your on going bickering back where it came from.

Thank You

Brad

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No problem Brad. Do you’s get any picric materials over that side of the pond? Here’s where i got mine.
http://irish-fly-supplies.webs.com/

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There seems to be a long standing and on going fued here. It will NOT be tolerated here.

Now, back to picric dyed materials and flies. Loopy was kind enough to provide a link to that same web site. I’m considering ordering in some material, but was wondering about international mail restrictions. I’d hate to end up on some terrorist watch list because I ordered a dyed hares mask.

Ron Eagle Elk
Site Admin

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The guy that sells picric also sells it on ebay under sam-2002 but it tends to sell for more on there.
I dont think you would have a problem ordering up gear from his main site you may have to pay duty at your end we sometimes get caught that way ordering stuff from the states but luckily i have managed to evade that so far:D

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I think it’s only in its powder form that its flamable but not to sure. E-mail sam on the irish fly’s website he’s very helpfull and will be able to tell you anything you need to know about the picric.

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I’m not a part of anybody’s feud. I have read that picric acid is toxic and that there are concerns, at least by some, of getting lose-dose poisoning from handling the materials dyed with it. I don’t know for sure. I am only familiar with it in its explosive capacity. Didn’t the UK fill artillery shells with melted, picric acid during WW2?

Ed

Edit: Not to beat a dead horse, especially one coated in picric acid, but Wikipedia has an intersting blurb. _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_ordnance_terms#Common_Lyddite

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Hi Ron,

Both of those flies that I posted yesterday are NOT tied by me. The bottom one is tied by another person that dyes and sells picric dyed material too. His name is Lawrence Finney. He has a website as well thats at http://www.finneysflies.com Click on Nymphs and it will bring you to a page that has new materials listed on it to see some of them.
Both Sam and Lawrence can send you anything without any trouble regarding mail restrictions. I actually just sent Lawrence some material that I needed dyed in picric for an old nymph pattern that I’m trying to recreate and I have it back already. Like most folks involved with flyfishing, both are very generous and just great to do business with.

Regards,
Mark

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Probably!

But many other problems encountered in getting the missiles to hit the target!

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I think picric acid is pretty much unabtainable in the U.S.A It’s considered a very dangerous explosive and I’m pretty sure you can’t purchase it legally.

Here is a short video that indicates the kind of interest it would get from the local authority…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWK6Eoassjg&feature=related

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As far as im aware it is only dangerous in crystal and the tying products from it are not explosive.

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From a little internet research I was able to find several files with info on safe handling of picric acid. here is a summary of what I found…

The material is classified by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Fire Arms (BATF) as a high explosive, it does not require confinement to be explosive. It is considered explosive in both dry form and liquid form if not diluted to at least 30% concentration with water. Many high school and college labs used to use it for certain experiments, because of safety concerns it is no longer in common use. Curiously it is still used is some types of drug testing.

It is particularly dangerous when it comes in contact with metal or concrete. For example a glass vial with a metal lid, the acid reacts with the metal and forms new compounds that are extremely sensitive to friction and will ignite when the lid is unscrewed, the glass bottle turns into shrapnel that will not show up on an xray. Old bottles of the stuff are considered to be live bombs, since the water in the original mixture is assumed to have evaporated. According to the MSDS sheet it is also highly toxic and carcinogenic, absorbed through the skin by contact or by breathing of the vapors. Use of gloves, a vented hood and a breathing mask is recommended. Ingestion of less than 1 gram is considered a fatal dose for humans.

Prior to world war it was used in the textile industry to dye wool. It also was used as a disinfectant. During the war it was the primary explosive used in British artillery shells. Materials dyed with picric acid are not explosive, but the safe disposal of the spent dye bath is an issue. If dyed materails are not rinsed well there is some chance of picking up toxins with skin contact, poorly rinsed material will leave a yellow stain on your hands.

I was able to find a USA based chemical supply that offered it. Starting price was $120 for 25 grams (about 1 tablespoon) and the dry material could not be shipped via. mail or ground carrier, due to shipping regulations on high explosives. It had to be picked up in person.

So lets review… toxic, carcinogenic, explosive and expensive - but it makes some really nice yellow/olive shades. Well I’m pretty sure I don’t want to mess with it, too bad the colors looked really nice.

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Here’s a few of my picric flies. Photo’s are not the best sorry.
Picric badger

Picric hare bug

Picric Diawl Bach could not get the photo rite on this one. The tail and beard are picric blue jay.

Picric hares ear.