OK I tried to get the ferrule off the old butt section to put onto a dowel, but couldn’t get it, so am going to buy a new one - but don’t know what size - the 1/4 inch dowel is 6.5 mm, but the 19/64 i.d. of the end of the present female is 7.5 - do I get the larger size and build up the 1/4" dowel? Or the smaller and will it fit the old male then?
If I understand what you are doing correctly, you are taking the ferrule from a butt section to mount onto a dowel to make a grip from for a banty rod. Is that correct? If it is, you will be much better off to get a larger od dowel to mount it to. When you try to build up the 1/4" dowel, I am not certain that it would have the structural integrity to handle casting.
Secondly, the old ferrule is probably pinned on. Look carefully at the ferrule and you may find a 1/16" steel pin that has been inserted through the side of the ferrule to help keep it on the fly rod. Sometimes it requires taking a piece of steel wool or very very fine sandpaper to find the pin. It should come right off there if the pin is removed and direct heat is applied to the ferrule. What kind of rod is it?
Sometimes you can make the pin visible by polishing the ferrule w/ 0000 steel wool and then rubbing something like India ink or soot from an oil lamp into the ferrule. Sometimes even when this works you have to hold it to the light just right.
AgMD
Thats for sure, and sometimes, you even have to look in very inconspicuous places. I have found them on the slides of some male ferrules…
herefishy, wouldn’t a 3/8ths dowel work?
Cheers,
MontanaMoose
May be the 3/8ths would work, but I’m leaning toward just sawing off the butt section, with the very well stuck female ferrule, and putting the new handle on that. Does that sound plausible? I didn’t really want to tear up the butt, but I know I’ll never use it like it is, so might as well make the project as easy as possible - right?
It would likely work just fine herefishy…I just hope that down the road you don’t look back and and say to yourself, ‘gee, had I not cut up the butt section, I could have had two cane flyrods’. For me at least, I would want to have the original cane rod intact plus the banty with separate handle.
What about finding a piece of scrap cane rod from one of the many here that build/restore them to build your female ferruled handle on?
Cheers,
MontanaMoose
I’ll second that. It would be a shame to hack up the old butt section as you plan when a wooden dowel would do. BTW since the grip will hide the material, a section of an inexpensive old hollow graphite or fiberglass rod will do in place of the dowel. As for finding a female ferrule that fits on the male ferrule you have to match, there are lots of sources. Do some measuring. Here’s an inexpensive source where you could buy several to see which one fits. http://www.jannsnetcraft.com/center-fer … 73320.aspx I am sure someone will chime in on other solurces for ferrules.
Bear, that’s a great idea…and when you mentioned ‘old hollow graphite or fiberglass’ I got a brain uhh…shiver…
herefishy, what do you think of this idea? Go to junk stores/flea markets/yard sales etc with that which will become the butt section of your proposed banty and look at the zillions of old rods you’ll find and try (carefully)plugging the section of your cane rod into the butt of the junker rod till you find just the right fit? Voila ! Instant banty rod handle stock ! I think I’m onto something here…I mean why go to all the trouble not to mention the expense when all one would have to do is ‘recycle’ a junker rod? Could be any kind of rod too…spin, casting, etc. (Not fly though, those would have much more value on their own as a starting point for a beginner/kid) Ok, hopping off the box now.
Cheers,
MontanaMoose
Great ideas, thanks - will look for junk rods.
Man, I’m so glad I followed this thread as I too was about to hack away at a couple of my 3:1 bamboos to make a couple of bantys. What a great :idea: to use old junked rods. Thanks guys.
Montana Moose, 8) What an awesome idea! Once again the family here has come through. Ive been to yard sales with lots of old spinner rods. Even the junk if the ferrule works would be worth a couple bucks. Start bringing these old clunkers home and my wife will probably call the guys in white coats :lol:
Why do I feel like it’s Christmas again? Well, thanks folks and I have to give 99% of the credit to Bear because of his “BTW since the grip will hide the material, a section of an inexpensive old hollow graphite or fiberglass rod will do in place of the dowel.” post. I became inspired and I looked into the future, seeing myself scrounging around for ‘spinner butts’ to make banty handles from for a couple of my unwieldy cane rods but that I would never cut up. Glad I could help save a few boos from the saw !(Or is the plural of boo, booze?)
Major cheers,
MontanaMoose
Thank you Montana,
My idea needed your salesmanship to get it over the top. I say we split the profits 50-50. Have your people call my people…
Here’s another BTW. You can get the rods free. Keep your eyes open. In disgust, some folks to toss broken rods on the spot. Sections from these rods are as good as sections of any rod. I have found them in the brush by lakes, ponds, and streams. They also occur along remote portage paths and in County Forest Preserve trash cans. Once on trash day, my neighbor put out a spinning rod that needed only a tip guide to make it a nice UL for a kid. I fixed it with a tip guide from a broken rod salvaged earlier. Besides salvaged rods, I have some old beater rods of my own. I doubt if I will buy a rod to use for repairs.
You’re very welcome Bear,
In this fast paced 21st century environment, I know you’ll understand that if at once my people aren’t in touch or able to get in touch with your people that my machine will contact your machine.
Regarding the 50/50 split…in most instances of first discovery, I usually insist on an 80/20 split, which would be in your favor. Material, labor, marketing, warehousing and shipping being drawn from the higher side of that equation. If you don’t hear something within the following 120 days, please feel free to claim 100% on the venture.
All seriousness aside though Mike, man, you’ve got some great ideas ! Your second ‘BTW’ rings so true with me. I don’t know how many rods I’ve found that were discarded. Some ‘lost’ too. A nice Sage XP comes to mind. I got that back to the owner though by posting a board. One nice thing about a rod or section of a rod with a metal ferrule that has been discarded and left to the elements is that the ‘finder’ already knows if the material of the ferrule is plated well or isn’t even ferrous if there is an absence of rust.
Discarded butt sections with reels attached seem common and I’m thinking they’d recycle well as ice fishing gear. Keep those brain cells workin’ Mike…you’re good at this !
Cheers,
MontanaMoose
Those who’ve been down this road…
How do you configure the snake guides (and a stripper guide) on the mid when using a newly built handle given that you still want to use the butt section for a long 9’er at times?
Hope my question makes some sense.
Quinn, when I make a handle to use the mid and the tip as a banty…I don’t worry about a stripper guide I just use a snake guide but I usually go one size larger. I have seen some that used a single foot guide instead of a snake guide…but I havent done that
Leo,
I was a little worried that the line might get jammed on the snake guide since my thought was that the round stripping guide was used to control the loose line between it and the reel.
Thanks for your input. Hopefully, I’ll find some time to work on a rod soon.
Quinn, I have an 8’. 3 piece quad in a 5 wt. I made a grip to use the mid and tip as a short rod for small streams. I skip the first snake on the mid and use the second as the “stripper”…no problems in 2 years and the 6’ 6" “banty” will cast 50 to 60 feet if you need it.
Quinn, do you mean the line just goes around the first guide? I guess actually it probably just goes over it with the angle from the reel?