John, I find your answer to be highly insulting, and totally out of line.
That fly would be very effective on trout, and most panfish. May be our trout here aren’t quite as marvelous as yours there, or the insects as grand, but that fly would “fly” here! Nice tye, spoof!
PS. The parrot biot makes incredible flies! Two toned and ruffled. Trouts love them!
I don’t know where your sense of humor is? Misplaced in the cold before you can get to fish perhaps? The question posed was one that always requires the same answer. That is, the subscript line that John has as part of his signature, “The fish are always right.”
I take that to mean, the fish are the ultimate arbitors and we can only guess at what will work at any given time and under what conditions. So his humorous answer makes perfect sense and it’s your criticism that’s uncalled for.
I dont have a problem with the signature. His other comment is totally uncalled for. I dont know the OP and I am not sure if he is new or not but if I was new and sombody made a comment like that I would tell him kick rocks (probably something a bit stronger) and never come back. There is a huge difference between constructive critisism and just being a jerk with a snide remark.
I don’t know the OP (as you put it) and don’t know the other posters. The OP has had 51 posts so maybe he has a feel for the types of responses. Personally, when I read John Scott’s post I thought that he was basically expressing the humorous fact that no one really knows. So, to the OP, try it. Let us know when, under what conditions(water, weather, sun/overcast, etc.), how’d it do, etc., and maybe, just maybe you’ll know if, when and why that fly pattern works.
Okay, to comment on the fly itself:
Hook looks and is described as much too heavy to use for a dry fly, although that seems to be what’s tyed.
Wings look as if they will ‘helicopter’ and destroy the tippet.
Tail may not balance the hook bend.
Body much too large in diameter.
Not that any of my comments matter one iota insofar as fish catching. I’m only giving my own and personal visual impression.
… the comment was called for. spoof85 asked a question and I gave a candid, honest answer. ( It also occurred to me that he might be looking to change his name to spoof86. You can find a definition of “spoof” in the dictionary. )
In the for what it is worth category, I’m on record on the Bulletin Board a number of times as only fishing for colorblind, nearsighted, dumb and hungry fish. I’m also on record on this Forum as prefering to see flies posted after they have been fished and proven that they will catch fishies.
No comment on the thrust of these postings. I don’t want to offend anyone.
One thing though that John Scott said that I disagree with and don’t think I will offend anyone by responding to it. The preference that fly patterns should be “proven” patterns. I don’t know about others, but, I for one, tie much more than I am able to fish. Tying is a real hobby for me. I only get to spend about 28 days a year on the stream. I live in Hawaii and it is a LLOOONNNGGG trip to the Henry’s Fork from here. So, I can only afford 2 trips each summer.
But, I tie about every day. I study insects (from books, internet, and when I fish). I like to tie experimental patterns and share them with others to get feedback. The internet is a great tool for this sharing of potential new patterns for specific purposes.
So, I intend to continue posting flies that I may not have had the opportunity to test on the stream…
I’ll give John the benefit of the doubt. Its hard to tell what someone means on-line without an emoticon in the post. The reply could be interpreted as tongue in cheek.
Looking at the fly, I don’t know what natural it is imitating, but an opportunistic fish could take it as some sort of flying insect. Trout take polypro yarn strike indicators so it would not suppose me if a trout took this fly.
I’m not as certain as Allan on one point. I’m not sure that the fly will helicopter. The wings are not solid, but are of wood duck or mallard flank feather barbules so so they are not a solid airfoil. I say cast it and see if the fly spins.
I could care less about your resume it is not like your the only one here who has been fishing a while… It doesnt matter how you justify it, it was a rude comment. The guy makes up his own design, he is obviously excited about it. He takes time to phtograph it and post it… instead of constructive critisisum you come up with "Blind, dumb, and starving would be a start. " How can you not see that as rude. Around a campfire with buddies, yeah that is funny as hell. For a guy on a message board looking for a little advice that is just rude.
… spoof85 wasn’t asking for constructive criticism or advice, he says -
“anyone know what kind of fish this would be good for? i was just messing around and came up with this… tie it, try it, let me know!”
If he had asked for constructive criticism, I would have not responded at all or I would have given him some constructive criticism. He asked what kind of fish would the fly be good for. I still think the best chance that fly has is with blind, dumb, and starving fish.
In the meantime, I don’t see any responses from you on this thread giving spoof85 any of your ideas about what kind of fish this would be good for, and I don’t see you giving him any unsolicited constructive criticism or advice. I am wondering if you have made note of this fly so you can tie some up and give them a go at an early date, kind of like spoof85 asked of the BB members. Maybe you can let us all know how you do with it.
In case spoof85 is not spoofing, my suggestion to him as a relatively new fly fisherman and fly tier, assuming he has an interest in catching fish, is to stick with established patterns or experimental flies based on the study of fish foods, as described by Byron in his post. He may learn / develop some valuable fly tying skills by “messing around” at the vise, but that is a whole different subject.
Your right you dont. I have no idea what kind of fish that fly would be good for so I chose not to respond instead of making rude comments. It is called being an adult.
wow wow wow… i go to work and leave you guys alone for 14 hours… lol
to be honest, i took the comment with a smile, i got a laugh out of it… not offended at all, thanks for having my back though guys lol…
ps spoof is my nickname that was given to me when i was 10, and it stuck, and i was born in 85… i was not “spoofing”
pss working 14 hours a day 6 days a week doesnt leave much daylight for me to fish, and the fly is not based on anything… if anything i would say it is more along a variation of a bluegill bomber… but not at all…
finally, thanks for the input guys, i have about 20 minutes of sunset left… im going to enjoy it.
spoof85
… I’m sure you are a fine fellow, fish4trout, and it is quite possible you will do well in life considering everyone who offers an honest and candid opinion rude and calling them a jerk. I can only wish you well with that as you go along.
Also, all the best at the vise and on the water.
John
P.S. spoof85 - that is a cool way to put together a BB name. Glad you had a laugh out of my original comment and took no offense, since none was intended. There are a bunch of really talented fly tiers who contribute in a positive way to this Forum. It’s a great place to learn so take advantage of them.
First thing I thought of was that it looks like the Easter Bunny, especially the front-on view; from the top it reminds me of an Irresistible on crystal meth. Second thought was it would be a killer bluegill pattern (although I’d never spend that much time at the vise on a bluegill fly). It would be interesting to hear how many different fish you do catch on it.
Now I’m no expert and have no idea what the Blue Gill Bomber is, but I would guess that it would work for trout as a Bee imitation. I have a friend who fishs bee imitations frequently and does well with them. It is a rather interesting pattern. Maybe some day I will decide to get a picture of a variation of the Adams pattern I have tied on here to get a bit of feedback. Happy FISHING to everyone this Easter weekend.
