No really, I started an idea!
That’s right an idea about some hook manufacturer creating a jointed hook style.
It should include hook sizes from 16 up to 8.
The joint should occur about 2/3s on the shank.
This would allow a free side to side swing as a natural would swim.
Do you get my drift ?
If a hook manufacturer would make such a hook.
We, the ty-ers would then be able to tye any of the standard paterns in a “jointed” version.
Amagin that!
I say! If Rapala can do so can I.
By Joe.
Um. . . you can already do that. It’s called an articulated fly. There are several ways of doing it, I’ll leave finding them up to you.
Just searched on that and only found the cart before the horse. Perhaps you misunder stood what I was asking ?
Dang, man think I should have put those college years to good use man, some way. You know what mean? It’s like dang old hooks dont to bend like you want ‘em. Dang!
Guess I’m gonna have to start all over.
Just tryin’ to put ideas into someone’s head.
What do ya get for it ?
Nothin’ man, just like same old same old.
Take an idea and run with it. (Boomhower talkin’)
If you have ever stood on the bank of stream or river, and watched mayfly nymphs swim toward shore. You would know without a doulbt.
If you could impart in anyway a simular movement in presentaion of your artificial.
You would without a doulbt increase your hit ratio.
Dont’ take sientist to figure that one out!
(Ok how do you spell sienttist, grubb help me out here!)
Gary Lafontaine beat ya to the idea by about 18 years or so. Check out his book Trout Flies Proven Patterns. Several flies he designed on the flex hook, hopper and a stone. I think Tiemco even made the hook for a few years, but you can still buy the attachment to make a standard hook into a flex hook here [url=http://www.thebookmailer.com/Supplies/FlexHooks/flexhook.html:02a15]http://www.thebookmailer.com/Supplies/FlexHooks/flexhook.html[/url:02a15]
I guess i did misunderstand you because to me it looks like you are describing an articulated fly i use them for big marabou bass flies but i think there is a nymph that uses it also
And its scientist or is it sceintist wait that cant be right is it i before e except after c wait what was you question again. ah skrew it.
The way to a flyfisherman’s heart is through his fly
Smokytrout, that’s close to what I was thinking of if you trim both ends very close and bend them back tight so they are small as the original hook eye. You may have to work in half scale to get the right “body” length, unless they’re using short shank hooks to go with them.
Bass_angler_04, what smokytrout found was close to what I had in mind.
Jeffie,
I didn’t mention this before since I thought in one of your original posts someone had. Gary LaFontain [hence the reference in the post above] sold jointed hooks that I suspect are just what you a referring to. Whoever has taken over for him I think still offers them. I can’t think of the name of their mailer right now. I’m sure someone knows and will respond.
Oopps,
Somehow I missed Smokeytrout’s post and others right after it…it was covered.
fishbum, I’ve searched through some of the Waddingtons all I found were soft wire extenions that you have to fabricate yourself. They or even some other hook maker may very well have what I’m looking for but I have not see it yet.
If you take two short shanked streight eye hooks before they are tempered, interlock them to each other at the eyes. Cut off one of the two hooks just at the bend. Form a new eye at the cut off end. Temper the combo.
Jeffie, I experimented with this idea about 30 years ago. I used a light wire guitar string .010 (I think) cutting the eye off 1 hook and the hook off another making 2 "U"s out of the guitar string and fastened them to the 2 hooks, Do this to the hook first then cut off the hook, cut the eye off the other hook put the U thru the other attached U and secure it with thread, cazy glue the thread. I abandonded the idea because the flies had side to side motion and the Hendrickson nymph ,which I was trying to imitate, like most nymphs,swim with an up and down motion. Burrower nymphs have a side to side motion but its more like the way a snake moves, in an S . I also used a short shank hook first with a cut off hook at the tail, actually I tried it this way first. Trout prefered the non moving Hendrickson nymph over the swimming one. They would chase it but would not take it. Jim
Rats!
There goes my million dollar new hook design down the tubes. 
Thanks for your reply Jim, the hatch I was watching that gave me the idea must have been burrowers. It was frustrating taking this long to get the piture in my head clearly into words. Finally did in the second paragraph of my previous reply.
Jim you may very well be right that trout would turn from it. It may look to jerky or robotic. It may doulbe back and tangle every other cast too.
Just wondering though, how much of a chance did you try your model to the test ?
I seen trout up north tear apart a royal coachman streamer, trout down here seem to only follow then turn away from it.
Don’t get me wrong here I do realize that not every idea is a good one, it’s tough to try to fool mother nature.
Wait a minute all is not lost!
Just got a billion dollar idea.
If the entomology information in Jim’s reply helps someone else besides me, why then this whole crazy hook thread may not have been so crazy after all.
Do what to thank everyone who has taken the time to read and reply. I did send an email to Partridge last night asking about the hooks. I’ll keep you posted.
Jeffie,
Articulated hooks, as others have pointed out, have been around for decades or more.
However, the problem with the concept is that even after tying your fly on them, HOW do you get them to ‘move’ the way the you want?
That just won’t ‘happen’ simply because the hook ‘can’ move.
You’d have to design a fly with some kind of lip, excentric, weight shift, etc., something to act against the water pressure to make one part of the hook move in a diferent way than the other part.
Physics ‘basics’ here. Things tend to follow the path of least resistance or the direction of the applied force (you ‘pulling’ on the fly).
Without this, even with the articulated hook, the fly will move pretty much just like it’s single shank brethren.
Good Luck!
Buddy
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Jeffie, The experiments were’nt exhaustive but, for me , frustrating.I tried using weight, a lip ,both, 2 lips , the best I could get was side to side motion , a spinning fly that twisted the line or as Buddy pointed out no movement . I’m sure the wiggle nymph was around before I tried it, these are just my observations. Who knows, fish might have taken it in a different stream, or perhaps with a different angler , so give it a try it might just work for you.
Take care, Jim
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Ok time out for a bit of humor before the game tonight.
Buddy made some good points and got me thinkin’
(that’s not always a good thing) and I’ve been working some long hours the past four days and I getting a little worn and need to laugh a little so here ya go.
I figure you could fabricate a couple of tiny swimming “paddles” out of a plastic lid from a small coffee can. Tye those on horizontally at the thorax. Use a wire tippet. Build a cigarette sized raft out of touge depressors or something like that, put two doulbe AA batteries in the raft for power. Now attach the raft to your tippet as you would a strike indecator. Vola!
And the length of your cast would dramaticly increase too.
Good night all, I gotta get back to work.
Enjoy the game tonight.