Aha! Caught eating a foam hopper red-handed!
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/Panfisha/P5260252.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/Panfisha/P5260247.jpg
Also, as I was gearing up, I was hearing an odd squawking. I get to the water, and theres a baby deer that can’t get back up the bank!
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/Panfisha/P5260238.jpg
But eventually, makes it up.
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/Panfisha/P5260239.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/Panfisha/P5260241.jpg
This is being caught red handed:
http://www.ashlandwi.com/articles/2010/05/26/news/doc4bfc8f639cbac285381154.txt
That really elevates my blood pressure. We had a similar event in one of our lakes north of Chattanooga. There must be a lot of other ways to make a living.
I can handle panfisha’s redhanded much better than the other.
Those are some cool under-water shots! Have you ever thought about trying some macro shots of what your hopper looks like from a fish’s point of view?
Hmong or just your basic cheesehead?
No info on that.
Read this post and only thought was…“wow”
I personally didn’t take Steven’s comment as racist given what I know about Hmong immigration into Wisconsin.
Unfortunately, the Hmong reference is based on past history. I happen to live in the the county (Marathon) with the highest percentage of Hmong residents. Our total population of Hmong is only second to Milwaukee, the largest city in Wisconsin. Their fish and game customs caused a lot of backlash initially.
“23.3% of Wisconsin’s total Hmong population resides in Milwaukee County; 13.2% live in Marathon County. Three counties in Wisconsin have Hmong populations that exceed 2% of the total county population: Marathon (3.5%), Sheboygan (2.4%), and La Crosse (2.1%).”
I believe I am correct when I say that the Hmong outnumber all minorities in my county including Blacks and Hispanics. The initial Hmong immigration into our city was covered in CBS’s 60 Minutes news program.
http://www.apl.wisc.edu/publications/HmongChartbook.pdf
Early on there was considerable poaching by the Hmong who harvested game in the same manner as they did in their native land. Most could not read or understand the the fishing and hunting regulations. They could not tell the difference between the various types of fish, and they kept everything they caught - over limit, undersized, and out of season. Fortunately that clash of cultures lasted only a few years.
That behavior is no longer the case. They have now been here long enough that they have an understanding of the fish and game rules. Most still do practice catch and keep though.
Unfortunately, whatever good will the Hmong gathered by obeying F&G laws was destroyed in a single event on November 21, 2004. A Hmong hunter, who trespassed onto private property, shot 8 white hunters, killing 6 and wounding 2.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139239,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_Vang
Then in 2007, a white hunter killed a Hmong hunter. Retaliation?
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2007/01/16/huntercharged/
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-01-16-hunter-homicide_x.htm
“he Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources’ Hmong liaison is Kou Xiong. He says in their homeland Hmong hunters were not acquainted with such concepts as bag limits, a hunting season, or privately owned property. In Wisconsin and Minnesota a hunting license comes with a book that spells out regulations. Kou Xiong says Wisconsin’s regulations are published only in English and he does not anticipate a Hmong language version anytime soon.”
Lest ye think I picking on the Hmong, I am 100% Asian.
As you stated in your post, “this behavior is no longer the case”. To make the snap observation about the race of a person, based solely on previous behavior of others, IS racist, whether a person believes it to be so or not. I have read more than my share of stories of game wardens, and court dockets, it’s kinda a hobby or mine. Usually the people on the dock for Fish and Game violations are a cross-section of the local humanity. Including me, when I had a misunderstanding with the fish laws (It was a legitimate misunderstanding, I was cleared), and I am white.
Hmong people are here because they chose to support the US by sheltering and assisting our troops during the Vietnam War, thereby insuring that they would be exterminated by the North Vietnamese when we pulled out of their country. I think that rates them a little compasssion when dealing with the inevitable culture clashes. If the corner has been turned, and the Hmong people have learned new ways, then more power to them.
I still maintain that the rest of us need to come to the same understanding abou them, and not come to snap judgements, about any people. This is I believe the point of your post, as you effectively prove at with your citations. I just can’t understand why you cite those sources, showing that only isolated recent incidents cause problems, and still not consider a snap judgement to be racist in nature?
MAO
Did you not read what the Natural Resources’ Hmong liaison is Kou Xiong said? “He says in their homeland Hmong hunters were not acquainted with such concepts as bag limits, a hunting season, or privately owned property. In Wisconsin and Minnesota a hunting license comes with a book that spells out regulations. Kou Xiong says Wisconsin’s regulations are published only in English and he does not anticipate a Hmong language version anytime soon.”
It is their culture to take game without regard to “bag limits, hunting (and fishing) seasons, or privately owned property.” Is it then racist to ask if a group of people who over bags is a cultural group, if that behavior admitedly is part of thier culture? I believe racism is to attribute a behavior to a race without regard to the truth of the claim. In this case it is asking about a behavior because of the demonstrated past behavior of that culture.
Also it seems to me that racism is always tossed out when negative behavior is mentioned. Hmong have a culture of no child abuse. This is a positive cultural behavior. Is is racist to also say that I have never seen a Hmong mistreat thier children?
So I don’t feel the question was racist. It was not an accusation. Steve did not say the violators were Hmong or probably Hmong.
Racism is perception. My perception, knowing the history of F&G violations in my county, was that it was not racist. If it was not a question, but a declarative statement, I would feel as you do. Your perception differs from mine but I was giving my perception and that is my priviledge. You have given yours.
BTW, I have granted a college scholarship every year since 2000. This year it went to a Hmong graduate. Of the past recipients, 5 have been Hmong and 4 of other races.
I never accused you of racism. However, the specific question of whether is was a (Specific) Hmong, or (general) cheesehead, makes it so. It wasn’t your question. I did read your articles. I also read how the local Hmong had turned the corner and realized that things had changed. To then ask a question bringing back past problems caused by cultural conflicts is racism. To call an entire cultural group out and put them on blast about the actions of a few is also racism. If one was to insinuate that I (or others in my cultural group) am somehow a bad person because of all of the injustices perpetrated by other whites throughout history is also racism.
I repeat…calling the group out because of the actions of some within that group is racism.
Or as Merriam-Webster puts it:
Main Entry: rac?ism
Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-
Function: noun
Date: 1933
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
Being Hmong does not make the primary determinant of one who flaunts Fish and Game Laws. Questioning whether one who flaunts such laws is Hmong is racism.
And you are right. That is my opinion.
As per your definiton, I stated culture as a determinate and not race as I am also Asian. The Hmong have a culture and that is what I was refering to. It may be a fine distinction but I believe it is correct. Your second definiton is prejudice or “pre- judgement”. I don’t believe that is the case either since the question was based not on “pr-judgement” but on a past history of game violations due to the underlying culture of game and fish harvest as per the Wisconsin DNR Liason.
Now the violators claim they were targeted because of thier race.
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/96113364.html
“The DNR identified the men as: Nathaniel Johnson Jr., 58, Hartford; Mac Arthur Kirksey, 60, Brown Deer; Dwight S. Kirksey, 56, Milwaukee; Willie G. Colbert, 61, Milwaukee; Henry A. Jackson, 61, Milwaukee; Aaron M. Conley, 34, Milwaukee; Kevin D. Sheriff, 52, Milwaukee; Travis L. Sheriff, 34, Waukesha; Paul A. Sheriff, 57, Milwaukee; Zachary L. Bynum, 54, Milwaukee; Johnnie B. McGlaston, 63, Milwaukee; Charles E. Walker, 60, Milwaukee; and Levell Willis, 74, Milwaukee.”
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/outdoors/96018099.html
Give me a break!