Been at this game for quite a number of years and like many enjoy it very much.
Casting has never been a great problem but ,
have had my days when use of a haul has not been quite right. These last few years it seems to be sinking in and my hauls work but just for fun I would like to extend my distance past 75feet.
Seems I am stuck with a fixed lenght at about 65to 75’ no matter how the haul goes.
I feel my timing is good, can feel the rod load and the haul work but just can not get that extra distance. More importantly
I hope to use the hauls ( single and double
for better presentation ) so without rambling on how would you go about 1. extenting the line, 2. using the hauls in each cast to enhance a cast even with a light line and gentle cast say 25’ distance.
I am using a WF #8 for the 75foot cast and
3 to 6 wg for the 45 to 60 foot distances.
Don’t get me wrong I am quite happy with the presentations at the shorter distances but would like to REALLY lay a line out when I want to ( show off LOL )and enhance each presentation on the general cast.
I hope this makes some sense. After I go out tonight and pratice again I may revise this question a bit to try to be clearer.
Thanks..
Steve
[This message has been edited by Steve Molcsan (edited 27 June 2005).]
Another thing (I agree with JC) but if you can have someone video tape you while you are casting you will see for yourself what is wrong.
Where are you looking when you cast, are you looking at a point 100 feet out our are you watching your line? Close your eyes and try to cast, you might just find that you cast a little longer when you are not watching everything. In other words feel the line and the rod. I once had the problem of hitting a wall at 60 feet. I could not get any longer cast. I stopped and closed my eyes and “listened” to the rod I found I was rushing to the backcast, not loading right, it was just a little rush but it was messing up my cast a lot. Now sometimes I hit the end of my line and I know I did not have enough out.
I am not a great caster, but in salt water you need to get most of the line out.
I have a friend that could not cast the line all the way to the backing. Someone taught him how to do it, the story goes that he cut part of the line off, my friend did not know this. He was able to hit the backing and built up his confidence he has never had the problem since.
I agree with JC and suggest that you could also be “cheating” with your haul. Try the technique JC suggested without the hauls. Work on crisp stops with more line in the air and then add the haul back in.
Just where are casting that you need such a long cast? Before I can even wrap my mind around what’s wrong with the haul I need to put myself there in my mind.
Around here such casts are a complete waste of time when it comes to presentation because of the complex currents involved. There are times when I do need to punch out that much line, but they are very limited and “showing off” only results in no fish. The closer you are to the fish, the better your presentation will be because you will have way more control over the dynamics involved.
So other than “showing off,” what sort of situation would require you to cast that far? Lakes, salt, what?
Warren, we use casts like that here every time we fish. We fish for salmon in the Pacific NW. When we are lucky enough to get down to the Bahamas, it is considered an ‘average’ cast.
JC –>Move your casting arm down lower. It’s too high. Never as high as your ear. Use your bicept to stop the rod, not your forearm. Carry more line in the air on your back-cast. With the lower arm you will find you can.
Well JC using my bicept to stop the rod
really helped mostly with
me keeping the path in a straight line
very good loops were formed much more consistently. Keeping the rod tip lower also made quite a difference this one I knew but always need to remind myself.
I will need to retrain myself to use the
bicept in place of my forarm.
and Harold looking at the target is very important and I had not been doing this
I really appreciate you bringing this up
as it made all the difference this evening
acheving a bit more distance as well as
acuarcy.
SW Ladyfish, I started out like you suggested and it was the way to start my session this evening and it got my cast ready for the next level adding the haul. Thanks!
Mike Murgida, you are not alone, me too!
and Mr. troutbum_mt I agree with you around here it would be for show but as LF stated
it has a very good and important use eleswhere and those palces are always in my mind ( and heart )
This is what I expected from this site
good folks willing to help others.
Are you stopping the rod high enough on the presentation cast? I’ve seen way too many people perform darn-near perfect false casts and then push the rod forward and down on the presentation cast. This does does nothing but pull that tight loop open and send any energy you’ve built in a big circle.
Here is energy directed correctly:
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I haven’t seen that JC clip of the double haul before. Among other things, on the 90’ cast, I note that haul on the backcast isn’t nearly as long as the haul on the forward cast.
If the rod is loading, the “distance” should be automatic. Simply haulin’ on the line won’t give MORE distance, … the feel of the rod changes when you haul, so it all takes a bit of ajustments to get it right.
Practice, … practice, … practice
(note, … I am far from elegant when I cast, so a short afternoon with a good instructor or friend could be in order).
Not pretty, … but effective… Swinging for Bruisers on the #23 pool Ste-Marguerite River
Thanks to this thread I happened upon JC’s double haul teachings. I only thought I was doing it correctly until I studied that article. Well what do you know, I went home last night and practiced what he preached and before I knew it I had 90’ of line laying on the ground in front of me. I must’ve been too excited or trying too hard afterwards, because I could not duplicate it. But now I know it is not impossible. Thanks a bunch.
Been a couple of years since receving these great
suggestions from our FAOL fine members and guests.
I have put your suggestions to good use over these years and I must say while line still piles up around my ankles every once in a great while I get it right and it feels very good. :lol:
So, to capture my thoughts as originally posted now showing my slow steady progress with one caveat,
I still need help, ok your secretsI do accept personell confidential emails in this regard,
did I mention how much I admire those Canadian
fisher folks.
At any rate here me out:
My timing seems good, can feel the rod load and the haul work but;
I have hopes of using my hauls
for better presentation so, how would you go about
the following:
Using the hauls in a gentle cast to Aid the cast. Is this possible? Practicle?
Roll cast with a quick tug/haul? on forward stroke?
Been doing some light haul work on small water but mostly on straight line casts,
I would like to hear what some of you Pro’s think about the hauls use on specialty stuff.
Flick under the branches in wind say at 15’ dsitance.
Roll cast slight breeze gusts , willows…
You know you know the pool!
:lol:
Thanks so much again to all involved for the help you demostrated back in March of 2005
this Old '05 Silk Thread is in my casting muscle memory for sure.
I look forward to your intellect again on this soon to be '07 Gold Thread !
Using the hauls in a gentle cast to Aid the cast. Is this possible? Practicle?
Roll cast with a quick tug/haul? on forward stroke?
Been doing some light haul work on small water but mostly on straight line casts,
I would like to hear what some of you Pro’s think about the hauls use on specialty stuff.
Flick under the branches in wind say at 15’ dsitance.
Roll cast slight breeze gusts , willows…
Ok a lot of lookers but where is the discussion? :shock:
Share some thoughts/ ideas here? Can the haul be fenised to give an advantage in a very gentle
pool or other location?
