Unfortunately I don't think any of the companies SA bought survived - other than Charlton which SA 'cut loose' and I think is making reels - but they were uprooted from their WA location to Minnesota and I don't know where they are now. JW as far as I know is gone too. People in the trade I've talked with seem to think we will see more companies 'merging' (or bought out). Some of that was happening before the economic downturn, I hate to see folks lose their autonomy but money talks. And then there is the golden rule: He who has the gold rules.