Yes ERIC some do highjack a post --they never read the beginning. I feel if you want a good vice for a little over $50 you should buy from a known manufacture. I teach and Griffin has been my choice.Seven 2As for the kids and two others for my use. One non rotary and a full rotary. If the kids cant break them no one can. American made lifetime guarentee and help a 800 number away. Bill