what are you using to make braided loops these days for connecting fly lines (#4-6)? Cortland braided line is no longer made or hard to get. Thanks
If I understand you correctly, you’re referring to the loop in the end of a fly line to connect leaders to the fly line? If so, I simply make a small loop in the fly line. wrap it with thread and pull the tag under like when making rods. I’ve never had one fail yet and I’ve been using them exclusively for 20 years or so.
Jim Smith
Jim, Thank you!! I’d often thought about doing that but feared I’d lose everything from the line out!
Fritz, another thing , that I HAVE done for that many years, is tye a perfection loop in some firm-ish leader, and nail knot it to the end of the line. Works for me … but I am going to try Jim’s idea!!!
I will stick with my time proven method, the same method that Betty uses. We had this discussion some time ago about braided loop type fly line tips and some people really liked them but many years ago I had two of them come off in my hand so I never used them again. The perfection loop tied on a 6 inch or less section of the thick butt of an old leader then the other end nail knotted onto the line works great and lasts a very long time. However, many of the newer lines are coming with the loop already in them and those are good for a year or two before I cut them off and use the leader method.
Larry —sagefisher—
To avoid a bump at the point where the loop ends I cut the fly line at an angle So the looped material is tapered. I coat the thread wraps with pliobond from Ace hardware for better durability.
I have heard of some people using hollow super braid lines in 100 pound test or greater. Some manufacturers offer short lengths of these, like 25 meters, for $12-15. One online vendor that offers these is Charkbait.com.
Ted
I’ve learned how to weld the fly line end. I have not had one fail in two years. Not a hard process, you just have to take your time and be patient.
I too had braided loops come off at inopportune moments, and do use lines with integral loops on occasion. Otherwise, like others, I nail knot a short length of heavy mono in and loop the leader to that.
I made my own loops with the Cortland braided line for a while and they worked okay, but now I just make a whipped loop with the flyline and coat the thread wraps with UV Knotsense.
Regards,
Scott
Some people have got it here.
http://www.mchardys.co.uk/prodet.php?prodcatind=1&subcatind=12&pageind=1&prodid=1628&rowpos=1628
I found some Gudebrod braided mono, also no longer made, on eBay.
Most mid to high end lines now have very good loops but they can wear out
I will not use a nail knot to connect a leader butt on my heavy weight gear. I have seen anglers who insisted this was sufficient watch as yellowfin tuna and yellowtail just strip these off the end of a fly line. I do use this type of connection on much of my freshwater setups though. The nail knot connection works well across a wide range of fishing conditions
A properly constructed and properly attached braided mono loop will be stronger than the fly line. Home made double catch loops are much stronger than most of the commercially available loops which have a single glued catch. I have had a couple of fly lines break before the loop failed.
Several good suggestions in this thread for alternatives to braided loops. They all have their place.
Bought a couple rolls of Cortland back in the day, but I only use it for the bigger rigs where perfection loops/whipped loops/welded loops are a bit riskier as Tailingloop suggests. Rio sells individual loop in 3 sizes, although I personally like to double nail knot my loops, rather than rely on that plastic tubing.
For smaller stuff and freshwater as you seem to be describing, just nail knot on a butt section with a perfection loop as suggested.
I do it like James, but put a short piece of heat shrink tubing on the line before doing the loop. then slide over and heat it.
Rick
Rick … I really like that idea! Where, though, do you find the shrink tubing??
The big box home improvement stores carry heat shrink tubing; electronic supply stores like Radio Shack do, too. You can also find it online.
Regards,
Scott
Found some at Harbour Freight also. Menards had a couple of sizes the last time I looked.
I like it because it slides thru the guides easier.
Rick
If the line does not come with a loop, I do this:
Thank you, Guys!! Looks like even an old broad may be learning some new tricks!! Am guessing for my “nonexistent” South Dakota trouts, three nail knots may not be entirely needed. Don’t think I’d reach the fifty pound size!
I just use the Castwell knot and go fishing. Worked for me for years. So simple that most people think it will not hold. Use it on all my lines from trout to pike.
Brad
Other than video production not being that guy’s strong suit, that was a very informative video. I really like that method of multiple nail knots as they are much easier and faster than wrapping and finishing the way I currently do this. If I add the shrink wrap, it should make it so the knots/loop don;t snag on my tip guide when I reel all the line in. This turned out to be a very interesting and informative thread!
Jim Smith
Why not use the Gudebrod Braided Butt Leader : http://www.masontackle.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=205