Neighbor who is in the over 60, 65 & 70 fast pitch leagues bought an LL Bean bass/panfish outfit & was trying to learn to cast after being self taught on a short spinning rod with fly reel & line. He's still trying to grasp the single haul-double haul short tugs without spooling the reel while forgetting to stop the rod in the forward & backcast; like when they teach a ball player to bring baseball & hand up beside the ear & wait in the ready position prior to throwing. At least his overpowered casts whipping the water to a froth are about 25'-30' with just that amount of line out & has caught a few.