Thank you for that Allan. Because I have dried cracked fingers during my tying season I tend to use either the loop dubbing method or when using the Nor Vise, the catch method. I like the easy at which Han's video shows the split method for dubbing and need to give that a try based on your observations. One of the draw backs to the catch method for me is that I can't get the dubbing to give me that buggy look. It tends to be attach smooth on the thread unless I add some guard hairs to the mix, but even then it's not buggy enough.