Silver, I tried with the paraloop, my results didn't sit any lower. The horizontal hackle still pointed down, lifting the fly.

John, The search for a better "mouse trap" goes on. It is strange. I'll puzzle over problem sometimes for years. Then something just clicks and the answer comes together. The same thing happened with the tying of my ByColour nymph. Five years of looking for a way to get a nymph with different dorsal and ventral colours, without weaving or using marker pens. Then the idea just clicked when tying bead heads with the bead in the thorax. It lead to a new way of tying a PTN. My progress is always in fits and starts.

Cheers,
A.