I have just as much success with a catskill style pattern v-notched on the bottom to keep it from listing and tied without a wing, but an extra turn-or-two of collar hackle.


A little off topic, but that V notching thing sounds interesting to me. I'll have to try that. never have b-4 and not sure how to do it but will give it a try . . thanks for the tip NJtroutbum