Wax Tip:

One of the recommended procedures to wax Pearsalls thread was to use white wax, store bought paraffin to be exact. I had some in the block form as purchased from the store.

I got this bright idea. (guess it’s still the little boy in me). I took a 5ml syringe and cut the needle end off. I melted enough wax to fill the syringe. It worked beautiful. the wax, once melted, remains softer than when purchased. With the plunger still in the syringe, it allowed me a push tube. It keeps the wax clean and can just push it up as needed.

It did a beautiful job on the thread and left no build up.

Just thought I would pass along for you do-it yourselfers.

Why do you need wax.
I tie hundereds of dubbed flies and haven’t used wax on any.

It’s more for color change than dubbing. Some of the spider patterns call for a waxed or well waxed thread.

Rookie,

Do you mean the wax that is found in those little “tea light” candles? Onceyou melt it is remains softer? Is this a decent sub for dubbing wax? I use a lot of seal, and I suspect dubbing wax would be helpful, but I have never used it because I have always been told that it is a non-item.

Thanks,

"Why do you need wax.
I tie hundereds of dubbed flies and haven’t used wax on any. "

There are many uses for wax in tying besides dubing, I use it a lot, in this case it appears to be on silk which would hold the fibers together and waterproof the thread.

I use commercial dubing wax, toilet bowl ring wax, Beeswax, (which I have melted and poured into chapstick containers) now I will have to try pariffin.

I also need to get some real sticky dubing wax from BT’S (sponsor) watching Al Beaty dub and tie flies with his wax was very interesting. just had to touch the dubbing to the wax no twisting it on with his fingers.

Pariffin wax isnt sticky, it is used as a lubricant in some instances.

Eric

Fly Tyer, this wax is used for canning, I think primarily. It’s real cheap and usually found at food markets and even hardware stores as well as many other stores.

Eric, my first choice was a chapstick container but couldn’t find any. I had the syringes for obtaining soil samples and decided to try one. It worked great.

I only tried this wax for applying to silk, not for dubbing purposes. I believe it accomplished the intended use.

(By the way, I don’t tie hundreds of flies. My flies will never be viewed by anyone and probably never fished. This is for my own enjoyment. I am sure there is nothing I do that hasn’t been done before. I have had the pleasure of taking from this site and was just trying to give back a little.)

krauseb,
Instead of being so caustic, could you not just learn from the posting here? Or allow the others here to learn something new?
Betty

Rookie:

Have you tried “cobbler’s” wax yet on that Pearsall’s? You can get it darker if desired. It is a hard black wax with rosin in it I think.

If you don’t have a source and want to try some; look for places that sell bagpipes. Pipers use it; shoe makers don’t :?:

I’ve stuck out with fly shops in my search.

Bamboozle,

Haven’t tried that yet. I will see if I can find a source. I will certainly keep you posted if I have any success. Thanks

Rookie:

I have some already but thanks anyway.

You can find several sources by searching “cobbler’s wax” on the search engine of your choice. Unfortunately most charge as much for shipping as they do the wax.

Just a couple of points which may be of interest.

In former times, “wax” was used on flies for various purposes. The main purpose was for “arming” the gut or horsehair link, which meant whipping it to a blind hook, but the substance used for this was not “wax” as such, it is a special mixture of white pine resin ( when purified, this is known as “rosin”, and is the same substance used to treat horsehair violin strings, in powder form by athletes to give them more “grip” when weightlifting etc, ) and various other substances which affect the consistency and degree of stickiness.

You can find some recipes for this here;

http://globalflyfisher.com/tiebetter/dubbingwax/index.html

This substance can be made quite sticky, and it also polymerises in time, making a fairly strong bond. It waterproofs the silk, which was used more or less exclusively for fly-dressing at the times in question, and would otherwise rot, and it also changes the colour of the silk. Bright yellow silk when waxed with clear wax turns to a medium olive translucence.

“Cobblers wax” is not wax either, it is coal-tar pitch. This was used in Scotland quite a lot for darkening silk a lot more. It is indeed still used in various forms by bagpipers for treating the reeds on their instruments. Cobblers and saddlers used it for treating thread to make it waterproof. It is difficult to use, is normally a hard block of brittle black tar, and in warm weather it will run and make an awful mess. It was also commonly used to waterproof rod bindings, ( rod pieces were spliced and bound together with string, and then coated with pitch), and some people used it for dressing flies as well.

If you want to achieve the same effect without the mess, then take a candle and a white china plate, hold the plate above the candle until you have a ring of “soot” on the plate. This is very fine and fairly pure carbon, and is the substance once commonly used as a colouring agent for a number of things, and referred to as “lampblack”.

You can mix this with the wax to darken it as desired. This will discolour your fingers and anything else it gets on to, so be careful with it. I don?t use this at all, but I know a couple of people who do.

Pure beeswax, which is a light yellow brown colour may be used for waxing thread, but it wont help you to dub anything, as it is not sticky at all. it merely changes the thread colour and waterproofs it to an extent.

This is beeswax;

http://flytyingforum.com/mike/Materials/Other/Silk/silk.html

http://flytyingforum.com/mike/Materials/Other/Wax/wax.html

http://flytyingforum.com/mike/Materials/Other/Silk/Observations/observations.html

You may also use ordinary white candle wax ( Paraffin wax) for changing thread colour if you wish, but this also will not stick anything to the thread, and will often give somewhat lighter colours, as it is of course pure “white” ( translucent).

In order to dub properly in the normal manner, you need to form a “noodle” of dubbing around the the thread, and then wind this on. This is controlled by the texture and length of the dubbing, no wax or other substances are required, although you may use them if you wish.

In order to “touch dub”, which involves using a sticky thread and fine dubbing, and is done by merely “touching” the sticky thread with the dubbing, you may use an ordinary office glue stick, like “Pritt” etc. Just wipe some on the thread, touch your fine dubbing to it, and wind the dubbing on.

It is not waterproof, and it does not need to be, as the dubbing fibres are trapped by the thread. Some will fall off when the fly is fished, but this does not matter.

If you want to use bright yellow silk, coloured olive translucent, for instance, and also touch dub it. Then use ordinary beeswax or paraffin wax to colour your thread, and then use the pritt stick to make it sticky for touch dubbing. The glues washes off as soon as you fish the fly.

TL
MC

I have prewaxed thread but bought wax when I was new and getting all the supplies. used no wax the 1st few times and then tried it and never looked back. to me it helps to spin the dubbing on the thread. maybe not a big difference but it helps a lil 4 me.

As someone else stated, the wax used with Pearsall’s Gossamer Silk waterproofs the silk and makes a definate color change, depending on if the thread is lightly waxed or well waxed. Pearsall’s Primrose Yellow, when waxed becomes a very nice range of olive, depending on the amount of wax. Also, silk, without wax, tends to slip off the hook and allow other materials to slip as well. A little tying wax helps keep everything where it’s supposed to be.

Rookie, if you or anyone else is looking for a source for good tying wax, PM me.

REE

Here is a source for cobbler’s wax:

http://www.feathersmc.com/products/show/Bill+Bailey's+Tying+Wax

I’ve formulated it to be sticky without being messy from pine pitch and rosin. The white is similar to the wax made by James Leisenring. Both waxes are made by melting the ingredients and pouring them into water. When slightly cooled I pull the wax like taffy to toughen it. The cobbler’s wax stains yellow silk to light olive and the white wax gives silk a nice gloss.

Bill

I ordered some of Bill’s wax so now “you can go home”…

…sorry, couldn’t resist. :wink:

This spider thing is a lot of fun when you try and do the traditional thing. It has added a new dimension to my tying and fishing!

I have always used wax when dubbing despite my preference for waxed thread on my regular flies. I have about 3/4 of a tube of Overton’s and it really helps when I want to dub really thin bodies. Using wax to change the color of silk thread is a new concept to me so this info helps a lot!

Great info all; THANKS!

Bamboozle,

Well, not according to Thomas Wolfe anyway. I’m sure you’ll like the wax though. The durability issue is relative. After investing so much in time and materials; someone like Pryce-Tannat would want their fly to hold up as long as possible. With cobbler’s wax the hook is literally “tarred and feathered”. Bill

Betty,
I just wanted to know if there was special reason for using wax.

Yep. And if you’ve continued to read down through this post, you’ll have learned why many people use it.

Bamboozle,

You have Overton’s? Now just where did you say you lived? Is the Overton’s insured?:smiley:

REE

Krauseb,

Forgive me. Sounds Like I jumped pretty quick. Please forgive me. It’s not Betty’s fault. She is one heck of a fine person, the kind you want for a friend.

I am kind of new to all of this, so anything I come across that’s new to me gives me that rush that all addicts get. Again, I apologize.