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I have the world of respect for George, but in this case the only conclusion I can come to is, that the testers shot themselves in the foot.
The choice of the rods used in the “test” seems to have helped predetermine the outcome. Look for what’s not on the list of tested rods, rather than what is.
Besides, each to his or her own.
Best, Dave
the guys on the winston forum were not very impressed… the forum went six or seven pages.
As my Granny used to say, 'if you can’t say something nice… ’
No comment on that biased test, even if it did appear to be rigged and a self-fulfilled prophesy that the two rods he admitted in helping design just so happened to come out on top.
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Dave - Good point!
Actually the best rod out there is the one in my hand with a fish at the other end. 
I’m confused. In one sentence it was said that rods with a low swing weight were a joy to use.
In the next paragraph it mentioned that you would think twice about picking up a rod with low swing weight unless you’d been working out at a gym to build up your arm strength.
Can anyone explain what the heck they mean by the contradictory statements(contradictory to me,anyhow)???
Rodgerole,
One important word that is missing is “score” in your sentence. You would think twice about picking up a rod with a low swing weight score… Meaning a heavy swing weight club.
you would think twice about picking up a rod with low swing weight score unless you’d been working out at a gym to build up your arm strength.
I bet a bamboo rod would rip his arm right out of the socket! :lol:
Bill O.
[b]So…low swing weight score=high swing weight?
Rodger[/b]
yes
I’m wondering what would cause the accuracy differences in these rods :?:
I would say human error. If the those testing favored and used fast, stiff rods, adjusting their stroke to rod actions they don’t use or like could be a challenge.
Imagine that happening…
I say if you want a 5 weight rod, go to one or more local shops, cast some rods at fishing distances, attempting fishing casts- then make up your own mind. The perfect rod for George might not cast a lick for you or me!
Chuck
The choice of the rods used in the “test” seems to have helped predetermine the outcome. Look for what’s not on the list of tested rods, rather than what is.
Dave E
Can you tell us which other rod should have been in the shout out to make this a realistic and fair outcome
Jocelin
Hi Jocelyn,
Did you really mean rod ( singular ) or rods ( plural ) and was that a question, or a comment? I’m over thirty years of age and don’t give " shout outs " to rod companies, record labels or anyone else, it’s just not me.
I don’t recall using the words “fair " or " realistic”. In fact, had I found any part of this shoot out realistic, I most likely wouldn’t have commented on the thread.
Being a “fishing consultant” and a guide by trade, certainly you must be aware of the large number of five weight rods currently in production and through your own deduction be able to figure out what was not represented.
Which brings up the question, why would you ask for help in this matter?
Maybe you could clear up a long standing question I’ve had. Could you tell me what august body or institution awards or confers the degree " fishing consultant "?
All the best, Dave
Dave
Thanks for your fast reply
I meant rod or rods which ever is the answer
I simply asked you a simple question after reading your post
have the world of respect for George, but in this case the only conclusion I can come to is, that the testers shot themselves in the foot.
The choice of the rods used in the “test” seems to have helped predetermine the outcome. Look for what’s not on the list of tested rods, rather than what is.
Besides, each to his or her own.
Best, Dave
I read the shoot out last month and found it alright in the final ranking.
But I was happy that some of you noticed that some rods were missing in the test to make this a complete reliable test on the 5 weights. I wanted a simple answer on your pick of rods that should have been tested with the rest of the bunch.
I know you didn?t use the words fair or realistic but you wrote this instead
The choice of the rods used in the “test” seems to have helped predetermine the outcome
Yes I am a river guide but we rarely use 5 weights for the fishing we do out here in the guiding trips that I do (we use #7 to #9 weights. This does not make me a pro on the fly rod testing business, guiding is not fishing.
My consultant work here in Quebec is to help reorganize Outfitters and ZECS here on the North Shore Of Quebec in offering products and service that traveling anglers from various countries demand in their fishing trips. I am also very involved in the C&R aspect of fishing here in Quebec where a kill fishery has been promoted in the past. Also i give guide classes to local outfitters to show the correct way to guide a client and teach the ropes to spin fishing guide that want to guide fly fisherman.
If you need more info you can email or PM me and I will explain my consultant work that I perform here in Quebec
Excuse my English I am a French Canadian :lol:
Jocelin
Hello again Jocelin,
I read your response to my post as a loaded question from someone new to this forum, who wasn’t willing to take the time to be concise in their query and frankly I thought your short retort was smug and taunting in it’s tone.
In other words, rather than sharing your thoughts on the subject matter of thread as asked by the threads creator, you’d decided to merely take issue with the response of another.
Your command of English seems to have improved remarkably between your first and second response, you’re to be congratulated. Your expertise at using the multiple posting functions on this board hasn’t escaped me either, you’re prowess is noted.
I see now that I was totally off base in my assessment of your remarks, you are indeed very detailed when you wish to be.
I’m not sure if I’d agree that " guiding is not fishing". In my mind, to be a professional, ability has to meet application at some point.
I’d sure like my guides to be familiar with the equipment that’s currently available be it 5, 7, 8 or 9 weights and I’m not sure I’d want to hire a guide whose tracking down tips on tackle from unknown persons on the internet.
In fact, I’d be more impressed if my guide could evenhandedly discuss the positive merits on a wide range of equipment that he’s taken the time to become familiar with.
Conversely, why would an absolute stranger care what I like or dislike in a five weight rod? That stumps me. For for that matter, the same could be said for the opinions of a group of “testers” who are largely unknown to most of us.
Well if nothing else, it’s served to generate some interest in a fly shops website. Maybe that was the real purpose of the shoot out. Let’s sit back and watch to see if other shops follow suit, maybe well be debating the relative strengths and merits of a variety of wading boot laces next month.
All the best, Dave
Dave E
It wasnt a loaded question IT was a freindly question with no traps or whatever else
I was just asking you what rods should of been added in the test
Now I have to defend myself has a guide and have to show my credential in being a consultant.
Being a good guide it has nothing to doo with the new sage rod or the brand new ABEL reel. I am very up to date in my equipement and like to read rods shoot out and compare the info. I really liked your initial post and wanted to have your output on the subject. You seemed like a nice fellow to exchange thought on a forum. Sorry
I was never in any way try to ridicule you in any way just looking for a simple discussion on the subject at hand, wich has you can see turned in a different direction :?
Why would my guide job come in this post we were discussing rods remember, not my consultant work or my guiding. 
I have been a member here for at least 3 to 4 years maybe more, I changed my handle during the chat update to be able to log in.
To be able to use the quote fonction doesnt need to be a genius for that.
I made a spelling mistake on my initial post i spelled shoot out (shout out) my mistake sorry for that.
Well if nothing else, it’s served to generate some interest in a fly shops website. Maybe that was the real purpose of the shoot out. Let’s sit back and watch to see if other shops follow suit, maybe well be debating the relative strengths and merits of a variety of wading boot laces next month.
I thought the same way
Jocelin
There ARE many guides who purchase their ‘personal’ and client rods from a manufacturer who has a special guide program. It varies, but usually wholesale or just a tad above that.
Why would rod manufacturers do that?
Because often a client will see or ask what the guide fishes. They take the answer as being very important and will often purchase their next rod based on what the guide (or guides) were using.
The manufactures know it works, and continue to do it.