Here is the link that will take you to the bobbin Byron speaks of. http://jvice.com/pages/news.html
Allan,
Jay Smitt showed the Ekich one on his site because he likes them. Then, he started making his own. I have #10 and I can attest that it is from the jvice site…
Byron & Tyrone,
Okay. I was just going by what was on the site of the address you(Byron) identified. I see you’ve since edited out that address. Anyway, if that bobbin is comfortable for you and does the job as you like it, congratulations. It’s good that we have tools that make the tying enjoyable.
Allan
Allan, not following you. Maybe you are referring to the link Tyrone posted. I only cited jvice.com which is Jay’s site. When you got the wrong bobbin, I suggested trying again and selecting “new” once you got to Jay’s site.
Thanks for that, I’d not heard from anyone else about the MP TT bobbin. Maybe I’ll try one. It was Marc who introduced me to the split thread techniques, so I would expect his bobbin to be good for that. Still slightly afraid that I’ll like it!
Cheers,
A.
[SIZE=4]Just to review,the use of bobbins; the use of a bobbin is a fairly new thing in the history of fly tying, Harry Darbee used none and a cloths pin to hold pressure when her let go of the thread. The first great American bobbin came from Frank Matarelli, is that not the benchmark?? Then from the man who invented the Bic Lighter came the J. Dorrin (today they go by Wishbone) and so on and so on!!! Everyone is trying to make one better than a Matarelli, for me a Matarelli works just fine. Fishin’ Jimmy
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Yes Fishin jimmy. I’m glad they got better than doing it by hand. I think it tends to be called progress?
It’s funny you mention Darbee. I think the senior Dette family were his contemporarys? Daughter Mary used to tie with a jeweler’s vise. However, the last picture I saw of her was with a DynaKing vise.
Okay Byron,
I found it at the site you cited. It’s under ‘news’ not “new”. Looks interesting, as does the vise. I didn’t try searching for the price of the bobbin. Since you have one, would you let us in on the price range?
Allan
On the J Vise order form it says $30.00. I personally like the old S & M bobbins for there weight. I use an ekich bobbin for when I am tying flies that I know I will use the rotary feature of my vise. Those J Bobbin looks really interesting. Since the price is on par with some of the rite bobbins I might have to pick one up and give it a try.
What you can’t do with a Rite bobbin is spin it. Well you can spin it, but they are so unbalanced they don’t spin well.
I tried one of my Rite bobbins last evening and although this is true, I still had no problem spinning it. I use Rite bobbins and Griffin(actually Cascade Crest clones)bobbins. I like the Griffins/Cascade Crest models quite well. even have one sized for Pearsalls spools but, that said I like the Rite bobbins a wee bit better
To each his own;
Wayneb
I’m really not tracking well on the “adjustable thread tension” features of these wonderously expensive bobbins… I seem to have infinitely adjustable thread tension with my wishbone-style bobbins, it’s completely intuitive and automatic— I adjust the legs of the bobbin to hold a spool with light tension and as I hold the bobbin while tying, the tension is controlled by how I hold the bobbin in my hand.
no doubt they are high quality items, although to my eye the JVise bobbin looks as if it was cobbled together by a plumber.
These wonder-bobbins are another example of a solution in search of a problem, like so many things associated with fly fishing.
I found them OK for spinning for thread control, but with split thread you need to give it a really good spin. Similar to using a dubbing whirl. Thats where the imbalance really shows up. Otherwise I really like them. If they would make the adjustment mechanism from all metal instead of plastic it might correct this problem. You can see how much twist you need to put into the thread for this in this video. Thats only with a tiny amount of dubbing. Thats why I changed from these.
Cheers,
A.
yes, you are not tracking well on these.
Yep,…rite bobbin is working very well. I bought the new model and i’m satisfied.
Control of tension is very good with the adjustable ring.
They are great great.
Ever notice how some of those who always seem to have these very strong negative opinions about new tying products (especially tools):
- Have never actually tried them
- Mention the cost of the tool
Pretty hard to come to a valid objective conclusion about a new tool without trying it. Especially if no one who uses it has negative things to say about it, IMHO anyway
Not only do I love the Rite bobbins for my tying (refuse to use anything but cramic because I tend to be a bit heavy handed) but I modified my rod wrapper to hold two Rite bobbins for my perfect tensioned rod wrapping also.
I have been tying with them for several years now and do tie a lot and find them to be the perfect bobbin for me.
Like Byron, I do not judge the cost of any tool and allow this to be my mind controller. If ya need cheap, use the clothes pin. I do not feel these bobbins are expensive. They are well made and mine are lasting much longer than the old bobbins I have used in the past. Make my vote For the Rite bobbin. A very satisfied user of only the Rite bobbin. By the way, Lyle is a stand up guy.
Denny
Byron Some of the great tier’s still apply thread by hand especially silk and floss. Not a bad skill to have awe? MY wife still hangs the sheets on the line to dry. How can you improve the wind and fresh air? PS She uses those spring loaded clothes pins too!!
To make things clear;one I talked about history of thread application Ref ! below. I complemented a great craftsman Frank Matarelli about a great design that has been in use for over 35 year and stood the test of time plus being copied my many. I use a Cermag Rite to spin hair. My personal problem with the Rite is it’s open side and the problem of the thread at times when rewrapped upon the thread spool can get wrapped into the tension adjustment. This can be **** at times!!!
Let us also think about the evolution of threads over the last 40 years. The Matarelli can handle all sizes and types. The newer designs of progress tend to be specialized for one type or use yes they they work for what they are intended.I think you as well as I,schouled give credit where credit is do.That credit is to Frank Matarelli designs.His bobbins and Whip finishers have stood the test of time and will probable be being used well into the 2100’s and beyond. Ref 1 “Catskill Flytier” by Harry Darbee with Mac Francis. To answer the question about what Vises the Darbee"s and the Dette’s used before Modern Vises,they were Thamas Vises with Darbee modifications. ref: “Catskill Flytier” Fishin’ Jimmy
I also use the split thread tying methods a lot, for dubbing and CDC and have had no trouble at all giving them a spin in the rite bobbins… TL.
Fishin Jimmy. You have to be careful. If you read this article about the Dette’s, you will find that Walt and Mary (the daughter) used a jeweler’s vise (as I said) while Winnie (his wife) used a Darbee improved Thompson - the forerunner to the Xuron vise which I really like and have 3 of them.
http://books.google.com/books?id=uEhpitk81uUC&pg=PP12&lpg=PP12&dq=vise+used+by+Mary+Dette&source=bl&ots=68NsAUC6KG&sig=TKu2EWeF74PRnNDOPmKZzwplwXQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3Yd7T8mbE8azsgK0opCMBw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=vise used by Mary Dette&f=false
I’m also a fan of the rite bobbin. I have two of them. Never thought of using it to wrap rods though. Thanks for the tip Denny.
Beaver