I live next to a couple of those volcanoes. Another example of people getting things wrong; twice. The valley I live in was thought to have been sea bottom thus the reason it is so flat and the soil so fertile. Later after some core drilling they found out that it was actually created from lahars. Problem there was they had the wrong volcano thinking the lahars came from Mt. Baker. Later they discovered the source of the lahars was Glacier Peak. Or at least that is where the research is at today. Tomorrow could bring something different.
Uncle Jesse wrote
I realize there are a number of volcano around the Pacfic Ring of Fire that can affect the weather more in minutes than us puny humans can in years.
I visit the results of a volcano that makes any volcanic eruption within civilization’s history look like a mere sputtering, fizzling dud. The volcano I am talking about made the Ashfall Fossil Beds near Royal Nebraska. The volcano that did that erupted in, I think it was, Idaho and buried a herd of rhinos in Nebraska among other things.
I am also reading a book and Krakatoa, the biggest eruption in recorded history. A whole island was blown to kingdom come in that eruption and sunrises and sunsets were unusually brilliant for a year after that. Crops failed the next year in many parts of the world. I hope nothing like that ever happens again but who knows???
Uncle Jesse, Back when I did smoke, many folks who were very strongly against smoking did not mind me smoking around them.
Because I always moved down wind of them, and I never dropped a butt.
I always field stripped them and putt the filter in my back pocket until I found a trash can away from their house.
My pleasure was not inflicted on their disdain.
(Yes, I actually enjoyed smoking cigarettes for a lot of decades)
I decided to end that pleasure in 2005 and tapered myself off. My wife did not realize I had quit for 2 weeks. I had to tell her. :lol: (She never smoked, and didn’t like it. But she married me…) 
I will still pick up butts until I can properly dispose of them. I don’t disdain smokers, but I hate the heck out of litter bugs of all types.
Back on topic, I couldn’t agree with you and Kerry more.
Agendas, agendas, agendas…
I don’t have a jet to fly around in. So I use the Internet. :rolleyes: 
There are many forces way beyond man at work here, and Nature will be what Nature will be.
If Yellowstone blows, well fine, that would be what was meant to be. Or a rock from space blasts us to oblivion Ka-Sarah-Sarah.
And all the B.S. would be put to rest with humankind.
The fishes and the animals continue on as they were meant to. 
Man is so pious! 
Obviously that young lady saw you had great potential as a future grandpa. If most of us guys had to settle for what we deserved we would still be single.
I spent 23 years as an enlisted man in the National Guard and picked up a lot of cigarette butt but luckily never smoked one. I never objected to smokers enjoying their vice and used to very occasionally enjoy a cigar. The thing that really gets my boxers in a wad is to stop on an off ramp and see layers of butts along the shoulder.
I found this very interesting. And no, I do not believe this “Global Warming” crab. Never did.
But I believe you can buy a Nobel Peace Prize. I’ve seen that a couple of times recently in my life.
I believe there is nothing wrong with this planet that the eradication of about 9 billion people wouldn’t cure.
Below are some interesting facts (or inconvenient truths):
“facts to a liberal are like Kryptonite to superman…”
Larry Elder
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October 16, 2009
The Liberal Faith
By Jack Kelly
Most liberals aren’t very religious. But they are people of faith. When reality clashes with a cherished belief, they cling to the cherished belief.
It snowed in Minnesota over the weekend. In Denver, too. Record cold temperatures were set in Idaho and western Montana.It was unseasonably cold in Madison, Wisconsin over the weekend, too. But those who attended the annual meeting of the Society of Environmental Journalists didn’t notice.
The keynote speaker was former Vice President Al Gore. Mr. Gore is the world’s most famous advocate of the theory of anthroprogenic (man-made) global warming. In his book, “An Inconvenient Truth,” and his movie of the same name, Mr. Gore warned mankind faces catastrophe if drastic steps aren’t taken immediately to slash our emissions of carbon dioxide.
Mr. Gore predicted the Senate would pass a “cap and trade” bill before a UN conference on climate change in Denmark in December. Most of the 500 journalists who heard him speak applauded.
Mr. Gore is someone only a liberal could regard as an expert on climate change. He took exactly two science courses as an undergraduate at Yale, scoring a D in Natural Sciences 6, and a C in Natural Sciences 118.
Mr. Gore’s paucity of qualifications may be why he refuses to debate scientists who challenge his thesis. And he rarely answers questions after giving one of his alarmist speeches. Mr. Gore did so in Madison, perhaps because he assumed the audience was friendly.
But in the audience was Irish filmmaker Phelim McAleer, who asked him about a 2007 finding by a British judge that “An Inconvenient Truth” is riddled with scientific errors.
Justice Michael Burton had to rule on the veracity of Mr. Gore’s claims because a parent objected to having the film shown in schools. He found nine “significant errors” made in “the context of alarmism and exaggeration.” Screening the film in British secondary schools violated laws barring the promotion of partisan political views in the classroom, Justice Burton said.
When Mr. McAleer asked Mr. Gore what he was doing to correct the errors Justice Burton identified, Mr. Gore, after much stammering, said: “the ruling was in favor of showing the movie in schools.”
That response was technically true, but evasive. Justice Burton said “An Inconvenient Truth” could be shown, but only if Mr. Gore’s “one-sided” views were balanced.
When Mr. McAleer pressed Mr. Gore on his evasion, the Society of Environmental Journalists cut off his microphone and escorted him away.
There was a time when journalists applauded when one of their own spoke truth to power. But in the Society of Environmental Journalists, relevant facts must be suppressed if they clash with the party line.
But reality is making it more difficult for journalists to protect Mr. Gore and other alarmists from scrutiny, and there are defections from the Praetorian Guard. As the Society of Environmental Journalists was silencing Mr. McAleer, Paul Hudson, climate correspondent for the once firmly alarmist BBC, was asking “What happened to global warming?”
The warmest year on record, Mr. Hudson noted, was 1998, 11 years ago. The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been increasing, but temperatures have not. This is something the computer models on which Mr. Gore and other alarmists rely said was impossible.
Satellite data indicate the planet cooled significantly from 2007 to 2008, said Dr. John Christy of the University of Alabama at Huntsville. This winter figures to be the coldest in decades, says the Farmer’s Almanac. The ice sheets in the Arctic and Antarctic are getting thicker. Dr. Mojib Latif, a scientist on whom the UN relied heavily for its original alarmist forecasts, now says the planet will cool for the next 20 years.
As the evidence moves decisively against them, alarmists are escalating their rhetoric. Britain’s Prince Charles – whose academic credentials are even weaker than Al Gore’s – told business leaders in Brazil we have less than 100 months to avert climate catastrophe.
But opinion polls in Australia, Britain and here indicate people no longer are buying what they’re selling. The Society of Environmental Journalists may not notice, but ordinary people can tell when it’s cold outside.Copyright 2009, Journal Press Syndicate
Satellite data indicate the planet cooled significantly from 2007 to 2008, said Dr. John Christy of the University of Alabama at Huntsville. This winter figures to be the coldest in decades, says the Farmer’s Almanac. The ice sheets in the Arctic and Antarctic are getting thicker. Dr. Mojib Latif, a scientist on whom the UN relied heavily for its original alarmist forecasts, now says the planet will cool for the next 20 years.
Well damn now, which is it? Warming, or Cooling? :rolleyes:
Interesting article, obviously I will now have to begin taking Mr. Gore more seriously now that I can no longer claim ignorance concerning his extensive scientific background. Al Jr. is probably a great blight on America than his father a known racial bigot.
My $.02
As you all know, I usually have an opinion. We all are entitled to our own.
Al Gore has made global warming a political issue and we should treat it as such. There are just as many scientists pro as there are con. Nobody has a lot of facts. But as to the facts they present, they are always pointed at the side you gravitate to.
Deductive Reasoning.
See the QP papers here http://www.hatofmichigan.org/Environment.html
If it is real, the only real way to stop it would be to eliminate 4 or 5 billion people.
Waste not, but be aware, it will be as it is going to be.
Bob
The latest fad is that we human beings are causing it because of our CO2 production (this week, as opposed to some other reason). I feel that the folks who truely believe this can set the example for the rest of us by instantly dying…I’m waiting…
So, I see a lot of posters to this thread don’t believe that we humans have anything do to with global warming, that it’s all cyclical, natural effects on the climate are far more powerful than ours, etc. The BIG problem is by the time we sort out the facts and nail it down 100% it’ll be too late for us humans to do anything about it and well be stuck with the results. Results will be HUGE problems for the whole human race. It makes sense to me to find ways to affordably conserve energy, clean up the environment and press these technologies forward with all deliberate speed.
P.S. I feel I should clarify some of my statements. When we talk about global warming we are entering into uncharted territory that we’ve never seen before & dealing with huge systems to feedback and variability such that it can take decades before we really know what we’ve got. I believe it is entirely possible that global warming will lead to global cooling for a while because of increased water vapor in the air leading to more cloud cover leading to less heating of the ground if you follow what I mean. And I believe there are other ways melting ice can actually lead to cooling temps by disrupting the gulf stream. But these are my beliefs. I am no climatologist or meteorologist same as most of the rest of you.
I agree completely that we are in uncharted territory. I refer to those who maintain that it is human beings exclusively and specifically causing it through resperation. Not human beings consuming and buring fossil fuels, which I agree is an area of concern. However, having said that, it seems any reduction that we make in emissions and energy consumption is more than made up for by other countries polluting and consuming more…It is a very vexing problem.
Hemingway would turn over in his grave today if he googled Snow Kilimanjaro. Just saying.