experienced tyers can you help
Body: lemon yellow floss with black ostrich shoulder
what the he!! does that mean??
Normand, if you look through the patterns on some of the Atlantic flies we have with the instructions you will see how that works, check this out:
http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flytying/atlantic/cheap/ca78.php There are others as well, look for the word Shoulder in the instructions.
Hugs,
LF
thanks for the info but the body described above is for a dry fly
page 113, gray hackle special, perraults standard dictionary of fishing flies
i think its similar to tying a royal wullf
Hook - standard dry fly sizes 8 - 18
Thread - black
Tail - natural brown bucktail
Butt - peacock herl
Body - Red Floss
Shoulder - peacock herl
Wings - white calf tail (or white calf body hair)
Hackle - dark brown hackle
Norm,
I would imagine that the Ostrich is Black herl. I have Olive, Dun & White…and have seen black before. The floss may be lemon yellow (brand specific). I bet yellow uni-floss wold fit the bill. Or even yellow flat-waxed. Which is closer to the older yellow floss colors.
Looks like a pretty neat pattern:^)
shoulder is the front peacock herl part of a royal coachman.
I’m not the most experience guy in the world but the order of the description would seem to place the shoulder under the wing (between the wing and the body) If you noticed the guinea feather shoulder on the salmon fly, it was under the wing.
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not a wet fly
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the recipe is for a dry fly
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i know what the materials are and have them in stock
heres a photo
it’s describing a material named black ostrich shoulder.
i know thats how i tied it in the fly above
Normand,
Here is a link to a shoulder on a dry fly. See page 49.
You certainly do Normand and quite nicely tied!
thanks for the link but that “shoulder” is different to the “shoulder” specified in my original post
Looks as if: from a black ostrich plume take a single filament & wrap it like chenille to form the shoulder.
Nice pattern. I was going off of the example recipe you said, would have assumed it was the front herl portion of a “coachman style” abdomen as well. Seems that would lend itself to a wetfly hackle application too, since ostrich really doesn’t float well on it’s own merit, but has great movement when wet.
Norm…what is the ribbing? Black flat-waxed?
Pardon me if I am mistaken, but it does not look to me that this fly was tied to the given recipe. The wing and hackle do not appear to be as called for.
It may be a dry fly, but the analogies are still correct. A Royal Coachman wet or dry are tied the same until you get to the wing and hackle. The body is the same on both.
the fly i tied and posted above is tied exactly in accordance with the recipe in perraults standard dictionary of fishing flies, page 113, pattern name is “gray hackle special”. the part of the recipe for the “gray hackle special” that threw me off was this: Body: lemon yellow floss with black ostrich shoulder the key word here is “SHOULDER”
after an exhausted search using GOOGLE and Bing, i had a hard time finding descriptive photos of the parts of a fly. then i stumbled on the recipe for the “royal wullf” and then it hit me what was meant by “SHOULDER”!
thats why i posted the royal wullf recipe and indicated “similar” in the sentence above the recipe because it contained what the “SHOULDER” of a dry fly is
now after almost 30 years of tying flies i know what a dry fly “SHOULDER” is 
i hope this explanation will end any confusion caused by my original post
Thats why we stick with for a lifetime:^)
Normand,
My apologies. I was fixating on the white calf hair wings and the dark brown hackle and not paying attention to the rest of the recipe.
I sure hate when I stuff my foot in my mouth like this.
no problem
In the Glossary of The Book of Fly Patterns, Eric Leiser on page 349 is shoulder : " In salmon and streamer fly nomenclature, a construction made of any feathered material ( and occassionally hair fibers ) which is tied in on the side of the shank near the head and extends rearward usually for a third or half of the body length of the fly… "