Good morning folks, New issue of National Geographic arrived last night. There is quite an article on invasive non-indigenous plants and animals. Among the 100 most unwanted would appear to be salmo trutta. This would lead me to believe that I should never experience an evening of less than hectic fishing. Any thoughts or comments? kev
Kev,
Okay, I’ll bite (if I were a fish, I’d have long ago been caught, cut up and batter fried…).
What the heck IS a Salmo Trutta?
Will they take a fly? AND can I find them in Arizona or Colorado?
Are they edible?
Thanks, I dearly love parading my vast ignorance.
Good Luck!
Buddy
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Kev,
Calling a species invasive is a very location specific issue.
Where I work now Brook trout are the species to be concerned about but only this summer I was part of a couple efforts to remove brook trout because they were “invasive” and had a negative effect on native cutthroat trout populations.
Brown Trout (Salmo trutta) are not native to N. America and in many places can out compete with native species. If a management goal of the area is to protect native fish, Browns may be considered invasive. On the other hand, in most places Browns are considered an excellent sport fish and are managed accordingly, quite often regardless of native species.
All relative to were you are and what you like.
Paul
I saw on TV were Japan is now going to get rid of the Largmouth Bass in there waters. Seems they do not like them as they are not native. The local BASS club and fishermen are up in arms over it as well as BASS here in the states. They are making people fishing for bass keep everyone that they catch. Kind of funny if you ask me. Seems the Japanese people love to eat fish and bass are a good eating fish? Why get rid of them if they are good eating and grow well there. It might just save a few oecan fish.
Even though brown trout may not be native to the U.S., I have never seen them TAKE OVER any body of water. Brown trout are a very strange TROUT. They have reached over 20 lbs in central Oregon because they target bait fish more than insects. Maybe they have a better appetite than most trout.
Doug WL OR P.S. There are not enough brown trout in Oregon to eat all the CHUB we have.
Dshock,
Brown trout have been known to “take over” certain stetches of streams here in Pennsylvania, pushing the native brookies into the furthest reaches of the stream. Of course, stocking in general, has, in my opinion, ruined many more trout strreams than it has helped.
Jeff
Buddy, In a nut shell 1. Brown Trout
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
Paul, I realize browns are not native to N.A. but are, apparently, stronger than the brookie. I truly enjoy the bookies that find my fly and all are released carefully and as rapidly as possible. In all honesty, when fishing early season(April 1st in upstate NY) my son and I do keep a few of the stocked browns. I guess a question that flies through my mind has to do with C&R. My son is only twelve and I must admit I am very proud when he hooks a trout, brings it in, admires it and then slips the hook out and sets it loose. Not that easy for a 12 year old to do.
Should we practice C&R in over crowded waters just for the sake of saying we did? I like the idea of C&R but can we sometimes take it to the extreme? I have no hard and fast answer to this question but I would enjoy the perspective of others. Thanks for your input folks. kev
here’s how they are handling channel cats in the San Juan [url=http://www.espn.go.com/outdoors/:5604a]http://www.espn.go.com/outdoors/[/url:5604a] conservation/s/2005/0202/1982675.html
maybe this could be used for the browns and for the bass in Japan?
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Yes, “Invasive” makes it all sound so SORDID!
Some of my favorite species are invasive: Chinese Ringneck Pheasants for one are my favorite pastime come October, November and December. They do little to compete with native grouse or partridge and are a basis for upland game throughout the upper midwest.
Brown trout are also a worthy quarry. But just about everyone wants to know who the sumbeech was that brought all these dang carp here to North Dakota and infested the waters with them…go figure?!?
See, its all in how you look at your favorite, or least favorite species.
Kev,
I wouldn’t practice C&R just for the sake of saying you do. I have never kept a fish outside of Alberta. I keep fish for a couple of reasons.
- I am hungry. (Camp is close and fried trout is so good!)
- I want to eat fish with my familly. (I bring back brookies to my grandma ‘cause she loves fryin’ trout.)
I will only keep brookies (catch a number of cutts in the same water) to bring back to my grandma cause I know they are posing a problem for the native trout in the stream that I fish.
I release most of the time cause I know that I’d go home, put the fish in my freezer and wouldn’t enjoy it later 'cause thawed fish just doesn’t compare.
I also like the thought of maybe tricking that fish again.
Njsimonson,
There is a difference between invasive and introduced. Pheasants (introduced) are a desired species. Most of the time Brown trout are too. Carp were desired when they were brought over from Europe. So were birds like starlings. It is these species that, while nice and/or desirable to some, are seen as invasive. They took advantage of a specific place in the environment and exploited it. A species can be indroduced and invasive, introduced and desirable, or just plain invasive (such as coons moving north through the prairies in Canada).
Paul
Out here the brookies are profilic enough that we have a bag limit on them above the regular limit, as long as they are 8" or less. Make great eating but takes several to fill you up. The browns are not a problem probably due to the colder temps we have.
Green River drainage is the one with the extra bag limit, and one or two others, I’m not sure which ones with out looking them up.
Wyo-blizzard