first post.
I fish for my living and just a caught a strange one.
New Mexico, Cimarron River below Eagle Nest dam.
scales were like a rainbow, red dots mean a brown.
what ye think?
Ti Piper (not sure if the jpg will show so this is a test post)
first post.
I fish for my living and just a caught a strange one.
New Mexico, Cimarron River below Eagle Nest dam.
scales were like a rainbow, red dots mean a brown.
what ye think?
Ti Piper (not sure if the jpg will show so this is a test post)
I would say it is a BROWN trout.
It looks like it might have a deformity though, Because of the strange hump in its back…Maybe it’s back was broken and healed abnormally??
How silly of me to forget this… WELCOME TO THE BB!!!
Welcome aboard! A hybrid brown perhaps? I really do not know.
Brook trout can be broad in the body but that looks like a brown trout with a hump!
Welcome to the BB!
Doug
it has the hump, for sure. And the really short mouth jaw line of a rainbow.
came up and took a dry fly parachute caddis nymph just like I was delivering bacon and eggs.
came up, out of the nether, slurped it in, fought like it should, hung around for pictures and back it went, I could catch it tomorrow, cept its a hundred miles away and I aint going back there tomorrow.
the scales were really rainbow, the hump? browns are not affected by whirling disease, but odd.
it had just a touch of the “brown” that a brown trout has as coloration.
I do this for my living so this is not a post from someone who has not seen the variation in trouts.
odd. Great evening, hooked a larger fish, lost in a cutbank, and a pair of rainbows, one obviously a stocker and the other perfect, either streambred or at least stream raised.
Ti
Wouldn’t a Female Brown have a short jaw line and a young Brown be colored close to a brook or rainbow?
Doug
I’ve seen that deformity before. It was in a lake run fish much larger than that one, but it had the hump. A charter captain had a guest catch it and he said it was the weirdest thing he has ever seen. The captain kept it get get it mounted. When it came back from the Taxadermist it was nearly normal. The tax said he tried to stretch it best he could but it still didn’t look right. The captain was furious. He got the mount for free, but he had pictures to show what the fish really looked like. It was a very nice brown (he had the state DEC identify it just in case) 13 lbs I believe. But the pics looked just like your’s except a bunch larger and in lake colors.
welcome tpiper…weird fish. I would think it is just a freak deformity that you see once in a lifetime or so. are you from new mexico by the way? PLEASE SAY WE HAVE ANOTHER NM POSTER!!!
nen-bran
nenbran, I wrote the book Fishing in New Mexico. I work for (contractor) NMDGF as a fishing skills instructor. learning is my lifeline.
I caught another odd one in New Hampshire, rainbow scales but … odd.
Ti
holy crap dude…we need to fish together sometime!! whereabouts are you located?
nen-bran
Just a thought - it wouldn’t be possible that this fish has Whirling disease?
Simple thats Quasimotrout! :shock: :lol:
Welcome, Ti,
We were both fishing about 20 years ago at the Shuree Ponds in the Vidal one afternoon. You, my fishing buddy, and I were the only people up there that day.
I’ve caught a fish or two over the years that look just like that in the Cimarron and haven’t gotten a decent answer yet as to what they are or what their problem is.
I have to ask, what exactly is a “dry fly parachute caddis nymph”?
Joe
Welcome aboard man. Sounds like you should have a lot to share! I’d definitely say it is a product of a female brown-bow that layed an egg that was fertilized by a male carp. :shock: That would make it a…Carpbow-brown. That has a nice way of rolling off the tounge doesn’t it? Say it a few times :lol: :lol: :lol: Carpbow-brown, carpbow-brown.
I really have no clue what it would be classified as, but i am also curious about the fly: I’ve never seen a parachute caddis, let alone a dry fly nymph. Sounds like this deformed fish took an equally deformed fly?
I actually remember you Joe, up on Shuree Ponds.
Jim, whirling disease evolved along side the Brown trout, so, browns are not effected by WD, though they can carry it.
Since these are on the Cimarron, below Eagle Nest dam, it could be nitrogen poisoning (the bends).
I have not researched it recently but I believe that there is no brown x RT cross, the milt can not fertilize the egg, wrong key, wrong lock, so to speak.
It is reassuring to hear that others have caught this same ‘fish’ in the same water, I will ask our NW Fisheries Biologist about this.
The fly looks like a caseless caddis larvae/nymph, cream body, peacock thorax-head, add on a white poly post (so I can see the thing), a brown hackle parachute, and their you go, from a book by Terry Hellikson, Popular Fly Patterns, Float-n-Fool Multi Color.
Ti (I fish for carpbowbrowns, annually in Lake Michigan, Grand Traverse Bay, with a nine weight)
That fly actually sounds pretty sweet! You wouldn’t happen to have a picture would you? Watch out, those Carpbowbrowns can get mighty big.
It is indeed a Brown Trout, suffering from a condition known as Vertibral Column Compression Syndrome (VCCS), and is not uncommon among members of the Salmo family of fishes. It is also prevalent in carp.
The condition is described in the following Journals:
Vertibral Column Abnormalities in Brown trout, Salmo trutta L. by Sarah L. Poynton, Department of Zoology, Oxford University, published in the Journal of Fish Diseases, Volume 10, Issue 1, pp 53-57, January 1987.
Trial of Probiotics to Prevent Vertibral Compression Syndrome in Rainbow Trout, Oncorrhynchus mykiss, by Joel Aubin, Francois-Joel Gatesoup, Laurent Labbe and Luc Lebrun, published in Aquaculture Reasearch, Voume 36, Issue 8, pp 758-767, June 2005
Radiological Examination of the Spinal Column in Farmed Rainbow Trout, Oncorhynchus mykiss, by L. Madsen, J. Arnbjerg, and I. Daalsgard, published in Aquaculture Research, Volume 32, Issue 3, pp 235-241, March 2001
Genitic Variation of Vertibral Fusion Patterns in Coho Salmon , by W. B. Campbell, published in the Journal of Fish Diseases, Volum 46, Issue 4, pp 717-720, April 1995
Semper Fi!
that would be it, compressed vertabrae somethingerother.
Here is the fly:
Ti
Does that Fly float well? Do you have to treat it with floatant?
Thanks,
Doug