Maybe that’s why I never saw the advantage, since the water I fish is generally 2’ or less, and rarely more than 4’.
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I’ve never had a wooly bugger “twist my leader” even in heavy current. As to why they were banned in “international FLY FISHING comp…” - perhaps it was because it was a “fly fishing” not jiggin’ comp! 
All the above is IMO, of course!
Donald
I’ve never had a wooly bugger “twist my leader” even in heavy current.
It’s probablly my lack of casting skill but those store bought buggers twist my line like a son of a gun.
As to why they were banned in “international FLY FISHING comp…” - perhaps it was because it was a “fly fishing” not jiggin’ comp!
Reread the article and guess again. 
Now you have to realize I bias because I hate wooly buggers, but I fish jigs, wee metal spoons, spinner blades, ect all on a cane rod of course…welcome to my madness. 
beadleach says:
I’ve never had a wooly bugger “twist my leader” even in heavy current. As to why they were banned in “international FLY FISHING comp…” - perhaps it was because it was a “fly fishing” not jiggin’ comp!
this response comes up with reglarity and it may ,arguably ,have some basis since there are JIGS sold for other types of fishing.
I have never been able to see the difference between a bead head ( particularly a tungsten head) and a fly tied on a lead head jig. I reckon it falls back to what is a fly or flyfishing and we all know there is no end to that enigma.
These types of ‘hooks’ work for trout too I even tie them with rubber legs in anymph pattern.
take a look at this from the czech site
[url=http://www.czechnymphs.com/tactics/tactics_2003_008.html:ff92a]http://www.czechnymphs.com/tactics/tactics_2003_008.html[/url:ff92a]
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zz - I’ve long been award of the “Czech nymph”. And the reason they developed it; “hint” the article kinda glosses over that part. That is the same area of Europe that gave the world beadheads, too. Part of it has to do with their rivers, part with their fish [grayling, often], and a really large part had to do with their fishing laws. The English often fish “Czech nymphs” [according to one of the English flyfishing mags] but insist the weight be added via wire, etc. Sooooo, different strokes, etc…
I’m certainly not trying to cut anyone down who choses to use jigs with a fly rod; however IMO it isn’t flyfishing anymore [no more than using a worm or other bait is], it’s fishing with a flyrod. We have a group around here that superglues bits of plastic worms to hooks and “flyfish” with the result. It’s very efficent; however, I think an UL spin rod is more efficent if efficenty alone is ur measure. However, I think solving those problems [for example, getting ur fly down quickly] with “normal” flies, lines, etc is a part of flyfishing. I don’t think the Great Lakes “chuck & duck” is fly fishing either. I just think you need to draw the line somewhere. Otherwise, tiping ur “fly” with power bait would be “flyfishing”!!
As always, IMO.
Donald
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Robyn my man I buy them by the 100s. How’s parenthood for the second time going?
I agree with beadleech that it’s not fly fishing. In my book fly fishing is to trout or grayling(brookies and stockers don’t count) in moving water with a selfmade wooden or cane rod, with a fly line of silk and a leader of horse hair. You have to be casting a selfmade handtied dry fly up stream but only to a rising fish. Everything else is just a pale imitation. By my dogma I’ve never been fly fishing. So why start now?
Hey, If your gonna draw a line in the dirt about the ethics of fly fishing the soil might as well be on the banks of an English Chalk stream, right?
If we decide to go by date to decide our ethos in fly fishing then a Colorado Spinner from the Hildebrandt’s should have more clout in fly fishing than 90% of the flies on the market now including the “modern” wooly bugger. It’s a shame that’s not the case.
Also in case the subject of purist vs snob pops up in this thread I’ll address that now. A 5 year old with a switch cane pole and a can of worms is a purist, everyone else is just a snob.
peace,
HAHAHAhahahahahaha LOL
I bought some of those micro-jig hooks when I was at BAss Pro last time and tied me up some flies I am planning on using for the Crappie, Gills and Bass as soon as possible this year. I truly don’t see the difference between them and the bead chain eyed flies, Clousers, bead heads, cone heads or whatever else is used. Heck, even putting some weight on the leader in front si pretty similar in my mind.
Like RW says, I fish for my pleasure and you fish for yours.
Don
idabelangler - I don’t fish for trout fishies. My vices are bluegill/redear/crappie and creek smallies. And if you’d suggested to people that know me that I’m a snob they wouldn’t srop laughing at ya’ for hours-maybe days!!
As I noted in in my prev post these are my opinions. Also, I suspect that your use of spinners and small spoons in current is the source of your leader twisting - not ur WBs. All the materians are soft in a Wooly and the bead is centered on the hook shank - there simply isn’t anything to spin a fly - again, IMO.
By the way, what the h* is an idabel?
tite lines - sometime this year.
Donald
Donald, I’m just messin’ with ya there…I know your no snob ect, nor would I care, I would still fish with ya. 
Also the spoons and fly rod lures never twist my leaders, and the reason the store bought buggers do is because when I reduce myself to fishing them is usually when nymphs and dries are not working and I find a bugger I had bought stuck in the dark corner of my vest, so I’m usually fishing them on 6x tippet, also the hackle on those “flies” are way too small. Back when I use to tie my own WBs they never twisted my leader because I used over sized hackle and used lead or bead chain instead of beadheads.
When I fish warm water, which is often , besides poppers and spiders, I use alot of big beadhead black gnats. I can’t begin to tell you how many crappie I’ve caught on a black gnat fished right on the bottom of the pond. I’m going sandbass fishing this weekend and most likely I’ll be using the white microjigs and large 6-8 white soft hackles, all on a cane rod.
BTW: Idabel is a small town in extreme south east Oklahoma.
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Drolfson
I agree with your thoughts on jigs versus shot, eyes, cones, etc. But for some reason to me it just doesn’t seem like fly fishing to use a jig. I guess it is because I used jigs with a spinning rod for many many years until I discovered that warm water fish could be caught effectively with the long rod and a regular fly.
I see 3 advantages to using a shot over the other methods. 1. You can vary the weight based on your needs. 2. You can vary
the action of your fly by changing the distance between it and the shot, and 3. The flies are easier to tie (at least for me)and also the materials are cheaper.
But like they say: Do whatever method you prefer, after all you are the guy fishing and you are the guy who is enjoying it.
Tim Anderson
Idabel - I caught a TON of crappie last year on yellow/griz wooly worms w/red tail and beadhead. First time I’d fished that fly in ages. Usta be one of my favorites.
The black knat is my son’s fav fly - wish he’d learn to tie 'em! Whenever I’m in the boat with him I know that the next time I check my flybox there will be NO gnats in it!
Water is still in the 30’s here so I’ll not be fishing this weekend.
Tite lines - and here’s hoping you slay 'em next weekend!
Donald
You don’t even have to tie 'em yourself. BassPro does that for you too.
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I bought a few cards of these little guys for $3 a card (12 micro jigs). I haven’t used 'em yet, but I bought 'em.
Go ahead and dub me heretic, but not with synthetic dubbing…
Ed
Ny opinion is that the ‘mico’ jigs are for mostly for people who, for some reason, cannot figure out how to fly-fish…
Just my opinion…
Semper fi!
Ny opinion is that the ‘mico’ jigs are for mostly for people who, for some reason, cannot figure out how to fly-fish…
Well Clyde you know what they say about opinions and the thing on your backside…everyone’s got one and some people are one.
Just my opinion you might wanna pose with a real guitar like a Gibson J-45. All other guitars (most especially cutaways) are for people who, for some reason, cannot figure out how to play the thing yet.
Alright Gigmaster et al. My first response was a snotty “OH YEAH??!”, but rather than that, lets try for a bit of a debate on this.
Are you against using jig hooks that aren’t pre loaded with lead? Bare hooks that someone buys to make their own jigs with, by placing in a mold and adding lead or bismuth to. If not, what is the difference in buying this type of hook and a version that is pre weighted?
If you are against this kind of hook, why? Is this the only hook you are against using, and again, why?
Here’s hoping I get a response to this. I am hoping for a good debate.
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sorry i brought it up guys, let’s go fishing and use what ever the ____ you want.
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amen to that!!!come on springtime!
It’s a good thing we warm water fishers are such a courteous bunch.
I’ve seen others posit this same line of reasoning. There must be a group that holds the use of weighted flies in contempt, apparently one step down from the dry fly only group.
I say a fisher who can cast a weighted fly with aplomb is far and away a better fisher than one who is limited to the ability to cast unweighted flies only.
If the objection is to the weight on the fly, I see little difference between a weighted fly and a weighted line for fishing deep. If the objection is to fishing deep, well that’s just dumb.
Jim
Stephen,
You can not discuss; religion, politics, or fishing with jigs on a fly rod.
And, I’m no missionary; just let’em watch you catch fish.
(black and yellow)
Swing hard, in case they throw the ball where you’re swinging. Duke Snider