I don’t have pictures of this, but I’ll try to describe it as best I can. I have seen loops tied in the end of fly lines. The fly line is doubled back on itself and then it looks like it is wrapped with thread and I assume cemented with Sally hansen’s or some thing to that affect. How do you tie this loop? I like to have a loop at the end of the fly line for a loop to loop connection with the leader. I’ve thought of taking a short piece of monofilament and tying it on with a nail knot and a perfection loop on the end, but I really like the looks of the other loop.
It’s not on the FAOL board. I’m not sure how to describe it. the end of the fly line is doubled back on itself and then it just looks like thread has been wrapped around it. I wish I could describe it better or had a pic. I’ve searched the internet but I haven’t had any luck. I do remember reading a book by Lefty Kreh and I think he described the knot. I remember seeing a picture in the book, he took a bobbin and wrapped the thread on. I wish I could remember the name of the knot.
The method of folding over the end of the line the securing with thread is often referred to as a “whipped loop”. Another way to make an end loop by folding the flyline is too secure the folded section with two nail knots. You can find examples of both with google searches on “flyline loops”, “whipped loops”, “whipping flyline loop” or variations of those terms. I’d post links but that is awkward to do from my blackberry.
Lefty Kreh does describe this connection in ADVANCED FLY FISHING TECHNIQUES with pictures which help make it clearer. You cut the end of the fly line at a shallow angle about 1/4" long and fold it against the line to form a loop of uncut line. Wrap over this with several layers of thread and whip finish as you would a guide wrap on a rod. Coat the thread with a flexable cement not Sally Hansens. I would perhaps glue the line to the angle with the flexament before wrapping.
Not sure…???..why a person would go to all of that trouble to get a loop at the end of the line?? Many ways of ending up with a loop…even the slip on pre-made ones.
Why not just nail knot a short piece of heavy mono to the end and then do a perfection loop in the mono and end up with a piece of mono thats anywhere from 1 inch to “X” long…??
I have made and used the above and now only use the short (6-8") mono nail knotted on the end of my fly line with a Perfection Loop at the other end to do a loop-to-loop connection for my furled leader.
Both will work just fine. You determine which you like the best for you.
I have had the slip on ones fail on me…will never use them again. I like the concept of the nail knot of mono, with the loop in the mono, but again, the practice leaves lots to be desired with all that junk getting caught up in the guides.
I like the whipped loop, with the whip finished knot covered with Loon U/V Knot Sense to make it slide smoother, and protect the wraps. IMHO the Knot Sense also helps keep water from seeping into the end of the fly line.
If you will Google “How to Make Welded Loops in Fly Lines”, you will find links to a couple of sites for instructions on how to do this. It is very easy to do and is quick. The only down-side is that it works best if you have, or have access to, a heat gun. Hair driers typically don’t get hot enough. If done properly, there are absolutely no hangups ever at the tip, or any other, guide.
A “loop” is a “loop”. No need to make a loop in a section of mono any larger ( or smaller) than the loop in the end of the line itself…and a nail knot…( which I always cover) slide right thru the guides as slick as anything
BTW, the leaking of water into the end of a fly line core apparently is not a problem according to the late Leon Chandler of Cortland Line Compnay. Nevertheless, I coat my ends with Pliobond.
With all the rain we have had, we need to check the river flows too! They have opened the gate on Normandy Lake and letting out around 1700CFS! If the rain stops they may get back to normal flow. Just let me know…
When I make a loop I dip about 1 inch of the end of the flyline into acetone & let it soften up the outer coating. You can then scrape or peel the coating off with your fingernail. Then you make the loop back to the end of the coating. I like to fray the inner braid of the flyline, if it has one, & then whip finish the loop tightly. Then you coat it with knot sense or something similar, This will give you a fairly smooth loop that won’t catch in the tip top. This is just one of many ways to do it.
You have me totally confused! Are you saying that you attach a piece of monofilament with a loop tied in it to the end of a fly line that already has a loop in it, by means of a nail knot? If the fly line already has a loop in it, I fail to see the need for a second loop of monofilament.
When I start with a new fly line, I nail knot a section of .019" or .017" brown Maxima (Stiff Maxima) to the end of the fly line and then tie a perfection loop to the leader end of the Maxima. I coat the nail knot with Pliobond.
It is then easy to put on new leaders or switch leaders with loop to loop connections.
As for the knot or the loop to loop connection “catching” on the tip top guides or snake guides when the leader goes into or out of the rod tip, here’s the solution. When landing a fish with a long leader, TURN THE ROD OVER, and position the tip and guides just like they would be with a casting rod. This will place knots along the shaft of the rod rather than the loops of the guides. The knots will be less likely to catch on the guides and tip top when the fish runs with the leader already in the guides. The leader and knots will run along the shaft and not over the guides of the fly rod. Try it - it works.
You now make sense. However, you may have a contradiction between your first and your last post. In the first you say you “I always cover it” (the nail knot), and in the last you say “no chemicals”. What do you cover the nail knot with? Pliobond, perchance?
