I hate dubbing

I hate dubbing. There I said it. Mostly because I am not very good at it and because I don’t have the patience to learn it properly. I am wondering about yarn. I know in Al Campbell’s articles he talks about using "punch " yarn. I asked a sales lady at a local Hobby Lobby and she didn’t know what that was. When I google it I get websites about a punch yarn needle but from what I understand it is just a tool and can be used with all types of yarn. Which leaves me confused. Can someone clear up my confusion for me? My understanding is that polypropylene and wool yarn float. I am looking for a yarn to use in nymphs. Or should I just use them and weigh down my hooks?

Thanks in advance,
hNt

If I’m not mistaken, “punch” yarn is the same as latch hook rug yarn and craft & rug yarn - 100% acrylic. Look for that at HL; comes in about a billion colors. Thing I don’t like about yarn for bodies on smaller flies is the high buildup - even unraveled, each strand is still substantial and it’s hard for me to get a nice taper. With larger flies, it’s not a problem; actually easy to build up a body quickly with the yarn.
I was never thrilled with how my dubbed bodies turned out either, but for nymphs I kinda wanted them scraggly and the ugly ones worked just fine.

Regards,
Scott

hNt;
I have about 15 different colors of punch yard, Adam’s Gray. Purple Haze, Caddis green or tan, etc. P.M. your snail mail addy and I’ll send you 3-5 yards of each.

I lied!!:frowning: I have over 20 colors! :smiley: Punch Yarn was a big thing some 35 years ago. A search for “Pretty Punch” may turn it up. I score 20 some 250 yard spools of it a few years back.
It is a 3 strand yarn and can be unraveled to use just one or 2 strands for small fly’s.
I put it on empty spools and use it in a bobbin.

Nope not latch hook rug yarn… much thinner. It should work well for small flies. I haven’t seen it for years…doubt if it is still made.

Here is just one example on ebay…a google showed more examples…

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-LOT-OF-VINTAGE-DECRA-PUNCH-EMBROIDERY-ITEMS-YARN-PATTERNS-NEEDLES-/171676573722

another

http://www.amazon.com/Purr-fect-Punch-Acrylic-Almond-Parfait/dp/B005FA1U36/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1423695033&sr=8-3&keywords=purrfect+punch

Maybe it is still made.

If you go to the home page of FAOL and enter Punch Yarn in the search feature you will find lots of info.

Tim

looks like uni-yarn to me
http://www.jsflyfishing.com/uni-uni-yarn

I use this a lot instead of dubbing, really like the “insect green”…

As far as dubbing goes, some are eazier to use than others, Krystal dub is really easy to use, ice dub is a PITA in MHO. just my 2 cents…

I bought some punch yarn about 7 years ago, can’t remember where I got it (somewhere online,) but it’s “Cameo” brand. a quick Google search got this;

http://www.punchneedlemarketplace.com/shop/index.php?route=product/category&path=8.

Hope that helps,

Cliff

Ok, I hesitate to post this but I’m going to do it anyway…
IMNSHO the best answer to your problem is: learn to dub. Like you said, it just takes a little bit of patience and practise. A few hours of that should send you on your way. Start with the finest dry fly dubbing you can find, and use as little as you can (just a whiff of the stuff - that’s easiest) and take it from there. Pinch it on to the thread tightly, twist the thread clockwise, make yr wraps, and see what happens. Once you’ve got that, try your hand at coarser stuff, like hare’s ear or seal. Of course a buddy or teacher will help, as will a book like Leeson/Schollmeyer’s FTBR. Spending time learning to do things the proper way makes you master a skill and that’s better than spending the same amount of time time looking for alternatives.
I’m not a fundamentalist - just trying to be helpful :wink:

Actually I agree with Martin but another option would be a product called wee wool. I don’t know who makes it as I got it in a big batch of used fly tying stuff with just the name of the store on the package. It’s a single fine strand of wool yarn which will absorb water and sink better than punch yarn which is an acrylic and shouldn’t absorb water.

Contact donO and buy his cd on rope dubbing. It is a wonderful video that will help you alot and best of all its easy to learn

[FONT=Arial]While I am a long way from being a good tyer, watching the PBS program ?Fly tying, the angler?s art? were very instructive and helpful to me. Leroy Hyatt demonstrates using a dubbing loop for fuzzy and tight dubbed bodies on some of the programs. The links to KWSU doesn?t work any longer, but the programs are on Youtube. Check the link below: [/FONT]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fly+tying+the+angler's+art+

Sorry, but have to agree with the “learn to dub” contingent. Yarn in any form is just not as versatile as dubbing, hence why it is rarely used these days.

donO is ???

Here you go Panman. I think he is a member here. Interesting technique especially if you want the dubbing to look segmented.

http://www.fantasyflies.com/ropedub_dvd.php

I was truly afraid that was going to be the answer. :wink:

I’ve used punch yarn for years. I use ACRYLIC which sinks, as does wool. It was/is used to make the craft pictures and signs by “punching” little loops of thread through an outline/guide printed on heavy canvas. It is a fine, two ply, yarn that is easily separated. It does a good alternative for dubbing if you want a modest fuzziness. You cannot get a really fuzzy body that will compare to using a dubbing loop.

Here is a link to a great article on dubbing and dubbing materials. It’s pretty long but well worth bookmarking for reference.

http://ukflydressing.proboards.com/thread/4046?utm_content=bufferf8c00&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Personally, the easiest material to dub with and learn on is rabbit. Basic Hareline rabbit. When I first began tying, I used rabbit for both wet and dry patterns. Spins well with nothing but saliva. Sticks awesome with wax. Easy to learn with, and it come in every color needed in fly fishing.