Personally I don’t know much about this group but did stumble across kentuckyfriedcruelty.com, thus stumbling acoss other peta videos.
If those videos are factual, then I support PETA in their efforts to establish ethical treatment for animals especially as it relates to domestic creatures. Seems some of those animals are heart wrenchingly treated.
But as an angler, I think they should not be able to attack fishing and hunting as a cruel endeavour, for one, animals are in there environment where they live natural lives, in natural surroundings confronting natural elements. They are not subjected to the same harsh reality as domestic animals, that is to say things that are unnatural.
I think they have a place, but mostly as a domestic watch dogs.
Thoughts?
later
MIke
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Almost everything in life that involves humans can be statistically quantified. When it is then shown on a graph, it always comes out as a bell curve. Most of the people are clustered near the center on either the left or right of the center. The farther you get from the center, the fewer people there are.
PETA people tend to come from the extreme far left of the bell curve when it comes to anything having to do with animals other than humans. I suspect most of us closer to the middle of the bell are either shaking our heads in disagreement or in wonder at their extreme positions.
(Hey folks, how’s that for diplomacy?)
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My personal opinion of “watchdog groups” such as PETA, is that they seek not equal & fair treatment, but a tip of the “scales of justice” toward their agenda. In PETA’s case, their agenda seems to include the generalizing of ALL fishers & hunters as cruel, inhumane beasts. In addition, many years ago, they attempted to thwart the construction of a flood control dam (in Missouri, I think) as the waters to be dammed were the last known breeding grounds for the “snail darter” minnow…CERTAINLY more important than human life. Personally, I think PETA is comprised of a bunch of NUTS! Once again, I have chosen to express myself in a “politically correct” manner…that is, in an Irish sort of way!
Mike
PETA says the “right” things to get people involved and to raise funds. They are confirmed associates of and contributors to the Animal Liberation Front, an animal terrorist group who goes around burning labortories on university campuses, destroying private property of businesses and individuals, terrorizing and threatening hunters and fishermen, which PETA also does and very much condones and encourages, and harassing hunters and fishermen in general and does not consider man a “part of the natural environment”. All this has been documented in newspapers across the country and from the lips of PETA leadership. The FBI has listed animal terrorist groups as one of the organizations to be watched and considered the most dangerous. I won’t bother with the political correctness my good friend Mike did. I’m admire his ability to hold his tonuge on this group of terrorists. PETA is dangerous, hypocritical and has no agenda other than to stop you, us, from enjoying our chosen activities and to stop anything to do concerning the “consumptive use” of animals. I warn you to not be seduced by their lies.
Recently, in one of our southeastern states, local authorities kept finding the carcasses of dogs and cats in dumptsters. As the investigation evolved they learned that PETA members were somehow acquiring these animals from local verternarians and when they couldn’t find homes they killed them and placed them in dumptsters, certainly not what they imply in their literature. When the local vets were questioned they told the authorities it was the end of their association of PETA. Once more PETA members were charged with several misdemeanors and I believe one or two felonies, a not uncommon ocurance. This is from either the American Hunter or The North American Hunter, I forget which.
Ingrid Newkirk, who may still be the head dog at PETA, once said something to the effect that, a dog is a cat is a fish is a boy, implying that your/my son is the same as the animals. I tend to disagree. Give PETA no credence, respect or funds. I have no knowledge of anything really good or useful PETA has ever done for real animal welfare. Their use of that is a false front. A recent check on their internal financing indicated that the vast majority of their funding goes directly to “administration costs” which translates into big salaries for the leadership. I can’t emphasize enough that one should avoid this group, especially any kind of outdoorsman. They are indeed the enemy.
For any PETA members who may read this and are offended…well…if the shoe fits, wear it. The truth can be brutal.
Sharps; you’re right on the mark. Most people who succumb to this sort of crap, from whatever organization, not just PETA, have not done any homework or investigation. They get caught up in the rhetoric and emotion and that makes it gospel.
I remember reading about a fellow who was a great orator back in the 30’s and 40’s: got a whole nation behind him using the same tactics…what happened to him?
Oh, if the American people weren’t soooo gullible.
well if your an angler and you support them then you didnt see thier new flyer earlier this month. i couldnt find it but heres a snippit from the ny post
October 5, 2005 – IF you took your kid fish- ing this summer, there are animal-rights people who are saying you are a bad parent.
The fact that the folks at PETA think that way is no shock, but they are trying to get at you through your kids, which is totally unacceptable.
PETA supporters began passing out graphic flyers to youngsters on Sept. 24, a day celebrated by sportsmen as National Hunting and Fishing Day but recognized by antis as Fish Amnesty Day.
The flyer says “Your Daddy Kills Animals” and tells your children to ask your daddy why he’s hooked on killing.
I am not a supporter of peta and I don’t plan on ever being one, but it would be nice to see some documented facts instead of NRA propraganda.
An other extremest organization IMHO.
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But an internet search for “PETA indictments” will show up many sources of information on this. Basically, they were obtaining cats and dogs from animal shelters and vets by promising to find them good homes, euthanizing the animals in the truck while they were driving away, and then dumping the dead animals in trash bins on the way home.
One of the indicted has a fairly high position in the PETA organization, I think.
PETA is not a blip on the screen. They have had a significant effect on policy on fishing and hunting in New Jersey, as well as in law making on the same. There are fewer sportsmen and women percentage-wise in New Jersey, so we are probably more susceptible to their influence.
However, it’s a mistake not to take them seriously anywhere. We have to know what we’re doing and why, and be prepared to respond.
I really think that the people of PETA have nothing better to do with their time. My sister-in-law’s roommate at college is one of those PETA tree hugging nuts. She won’t eat meat, and thinks that it ought to be a crime to cut down a tree. It’s interesting to note, however, that she drives a gas guzzling jeep, and has a closet full of clothes that were probably made by sweat shop workers in Asia.
I think that the PETA is a bunch of jokers, who couldn’t find anything to give their lives meaning, and latched on to a group of nutjobs. In a society where so little has value anymore, they have found it in the wrong place.
Do I think that we have a carte blanche to kill everything that crawls, and to chop down every tree in the forest? No. I think that our treatment of animals is not important for the animals sake, but for our sake. I don’t believe that animal suffering has any meaning: they can’t laugh, or read books, or do math problems, and they don’t have souls. But it seems that not abusing them is important not for their sake, but for our own. The way that we act towards our environment says alot about us.
That being said: I’ll fish until the day that I die. I keep some of my fish, and I’ll continue to tie my flies with the skins of dead animals. It’s keeping every fish in the stream, or mutilating my keep that I won’t do, because it says alot about the way that I regard God’s creation, and my fellow man.
PETA is a bunch of jokers. I read a letter a little while ago from a man who was asking the Pope for permission to marry his dog. Anyone who wants to marry their dog probably isn’t planning on reproducing. Raise your kids right, and the PETA dissapear soon enough.
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the problem with PETA is that they are well organized, have lots of money and have some name-brand people working for them ei pam anderson. they do nothing as far as make the environment better for animals, in the way duck unlimited does. all they do is file law law suites that impede the current way of life.
Well I didn’t like what i saw, how those animals were subjected to cruelty beyond what I would personally deem as acceptable, well if not PETA, someone has to step up to the plate and swing a bat for those domestic creatures, thats just plain wrong, If stealing a chocolate bar from a candy store is wrong I certainly don’t need some law or unwritten one for that matter to tell me that those videos are wrong. Then government must enforce laws to do away with suffering. Like I said on another group its not the death I have a problem with its that kind of suffering along the way.
Maybe PETA is not the vehicle of choice for releaving some of the brutality, maybe they are some of the problems, maybe they invented those videos, all maybe, I dont know, but if some of that stuff is factual, then thats just plain wrong.
As intelligent as this guy sounds he’s a bit bloated.
50 years ago the black society didn’t have rights, They were deemed an inferior breed of mankind. So if mankind can hold dominion over mankind and say this particular group of persons have no or very little rights, then it stands to reason of course animals don’t have rights. But rights do not define right. Actions define right.
when have peta ever did anything to help wildlife anywhere? fishing and hunting organisations have cleaned up rivers, improved habitat for woodland and field creatures. I totally agree with their points on cruelty, but they have gone beyond that and now no longer know what is and isn’t cruel. Does an animal have more right to live than a lettuce???