help the new guy (please)

Hello all,

This is the first time that I have posted anything on here, so I am sorry if it’s not in the right category.

Last summer I decided that I wanted to learn to catch fish on a flyrod. Prior to that I had spent some time with a $25 flytying kit tying various combinations of fur and feather onto the shanks of whatever hook I could find and then flailing the water into foam with them on my flyrod. Most of this behavior occured when I was around 10 and told my father that I wanted a flyrod for christmas. My dad, an avid bass angler had absolutely no idea what to tell me when it came to using a flyrod or tying flies. As a matter of fact, at the time that I recieved my flyrod for christmas I had never even whitnessed a person flyfishing. I had gotten the idea from a tv show where they were catching trout in alaska or canada. Our home was a long way from alaska, and if we wanted to catch trout we just went to Lake Tanneycomo with a can of corn and a box of worms. This was not necessarily the most nurturing enviroment to learn in. I did manage to catch a few smallmouth and some bluegills, but quickly grew tired of the constant frustration and closeted my flyrod.

Back to last summer… So I was visiting the Bass Pro Shop and found myelf standing in front of a small display of flyrods. They were all the store brands and looked very nice and I couldn’t resist picking on of them up and playing with it. Bad idea. When I picked up the rod I remembered those few very nice fish that I had caught on a fly 15 years prior. I guess thats what age does to you, helps you to remember the best parts of things…

So I went home, dug out my old eagle claw, made half a dozen casts in the front yard and headed off to the pond with half a dozen streamers that I found in my tackle box. Not the ideal situation, but I didn’t care. I managed to catch 2 or three crappie and one small bass that day. I also came to the realization that the nebraska wind was going to make flyfishing difficult. No matter, I was hooked. So i went home and tied up a few more streamers (all i knew how to tie) and went to the library to check out a few books. Epiphony: fly tying books are the most bewildering thing on the face of the planet. One of the books had nothing more than pictures of beautiful flies and lists of materials. The best of these helped only slightly, as they seemed to be missing major steps in the tying process, and told me nothing about how to fish them. I caught a few more fish, tied a few basic patterns, and decided that I needed a new flyrod. So I went back to Bass Pro and started trying out rods in their little pond. I found one within my price range and started the process of deciding on the proper weight. Out in the standard 15 mile per hour wind i discovered that I could cast an 8 weight far more effectively than I could cast the 6 weight, and that along with the saleman’s advice sent me out the door with a brand new hobbs creek 9’ 8 wt flyrod.

I have since become aware that I have done something similar to hunting squirrels with a .270. Granted, it does work, but its a bit more rod than is really necessary. So I am considering looking into another rod. The first question that I have is what weight would you reccomend? I spend most of my time fishing for bluegill, crappies, and this pesky fish called the white perch. Occasionally I go after bass, wiper, or northern pike but I have the 8 wt for those days. Also, how does one decide on what lenght they need? Does anyone have any suggestons for a decent, cheap rod? (I realize that i will have to upgrade eventually but I am a full time college student and I have a year left to go)

Finally, I was hoping that someone could come forward and help me out with a few good recipes for panfish flies, or at least tell me which ones are my best shot in the archives. I have been following the fly tying guides written by Al Campbell, and I am slightly better off than I used to be in terms of tying flies. I just have no idea where to begin as far as finding appropriate patterns, especially given that right now the fish aren’t taking surface flies (except the stocked trout, and they won’t last long). Does anyone have any suggestions? I emailed Mr. Campbell to ask him these questions but I am sure that he is very busy as he has not gotten back to me yet, so I was hoping that the group could steer me in the right direction.

P.S. I caught my first 2 trout on a fly last week. They were only about 13 inches long and had been stocked last fall by the game and parks commission, but they were trout. I had to brag to someone, sorry.

Chris

I would suggest starting with the Fly tying archives here. There are many patterns there that will help and they show good step by step instructions. As for Al if he were still around he would help you for sure. Al passed on away some time ago. His Too simple patterns work great and are easy to tie. They will help you with the basics of tying. Hope this helps a little bit. John

Hi chris, welcome to FAOL. Unfortunately Al has passed away and will not be able to answer your questions. As to a rod, check the sponsors list for Hook and Hackle. They have a discontinued St. Croix at a very good price right now. Also there is a thread on the board right now about favorite warmwater flies. For a new tyer I would reconmend the wooly bugger and maybe some soft hackles as easy and effective flies.

Chris,
Welcome to your new home…the FAOL family is the best fly fishing community going.
You will get far better advice from those far more expert than I, but here’s mine:

  1. With you already having a 6wt & 8wt & wanting something for panfish, I would go with a 3 or 4wt, & I would lean toward the 3. My 3wt is my absolute “go to” panfish rod.
  2. My 2 favorite flies for gills are an unweighted yellow woolly worm with red wool tail & grizzly hackle, & a yellow gurgler with yellow rubber legs…I prefer the legs to be long. They’re both easy to tie…BELIEVE ME…if I can tie 'em, they’re easy!! For crappie, I like white streamers with a touch of red or hot pink up around the head.
    Hope this helps a little.
    Mike

very sorry to hear that Al passed away. Would tend to explain why I haven’t heard from him…

Welcome to FAOL Chris, lots of helpful folks in this family. Thanks to everyone here, I’ve learned a lot. It’s nice to have you with us.

I’d listen to Mike, with the 3-4wt, flies etc. My very first rod was an 8wt, and as many fish I’ve caught on it, it was still overpowering for those fish. I know how you feel:) So I have a 2wt I’m itching to get out on the water with.

:slight_smile:
Shane

Bead Head Hares Ear Nymph in sizes 10-12…tied simple, no real need for a wong case.

Lil’ Buggers in Brown over Tan Marabou Tail in sizes 10-12…just very small Wooly Buggers.

A 1.87 pack of foam poppers from Walmart.

Any foam and rubber legged ant type floater…sizes 10-12

All these are easy ties and work as well as anything…the wets are cast to areas of activity and allowed to sink on ther own and retrieved slowley with a little action here and there.

Don’t go much smaller then 12’s unless your planning on harvesting…they swallow 'em.

While panfishing, look in the shallows this early spring for Crappies the wets above will whack 'em as well. If you get into a school, you could easily see a 60-100 fish day.

Later in the season, hit the creeks for Rock Bass and Smallies…same flies will work there too.

I never met Mr Campbell, but I bet he would have gotten a charge out of that
:wink:

btw there are tons of ‘recipes’ for flies all over the internet.

You have a lot of questions. I was exactly where you are not to long ago. Let me direct you to the places where I learned from. Much of it from here on FAOL.

Pertaining to your question about what flies to use and how to fish them I would suggest starting with the Warmwater and Panfish archives here on FAOL. More specifically, I would point you to the following four articles by our very own Rick Zieger to get you started with what flies to use.
Rick’s Favorite Crappie Flies (Part 1)
Rick’s Favorite Crappie Flies (Part 2)
Rick’s Favorite Bluegill Flies (Part 1)
Rick’s Favorite Bluegill Flies (Part 2)

From your post it sounded like you have already found the Fly of the Week Archives. Here’s a few other flies that have been very good for me:
Boa Yarn Leach
Black Marabou Leech
The McGinty but I usually leave off the wing.
Crappie Candy
The Pan-Handler

I would also suggest the following books. I checked them out from the library . They were very helpful to me. They are very good at explaining how to fish.
Bluegill Fly Fishing & Flies by Terry and Roxanne Wilson
Largemouth Bass Fly-Fishing: Beyond the Basics by Terry and Roxanne Wilson
L.L. Bean Fly Fishing For Bass Handbook by Dave Whitlock

Finally, for a better book explaining the all the basics and intricate steps of tying flies you definitely want to check this book out from the library. This is THE book that taught me how to tie flies. Very good instruction.
Fly Tying Made Clear and Simple by Skip Morris

That should get you started. And it should provide you enough reading for a day or two. :slight_smile:

Enjoy!

Wait a minute … Bass Pro shop/Nebraska winds/Tanneycomo … those three don’t go together, at least not in the same state!! Where are you, hugefish? :stuck_out_tongue:

I did know Al … and yes, he would have enjoyed that!!

You have received some very good advise and articles to read and research. Since you stated in your post that a “normal” day where you live consists of 15MPH winds, I would hold off on purchasing a 2 or 3wt rod until you have more casting experience under your belt.

Just my opinion for a new fly fisher and nothing more…

Chris -

Greetings and welcome from Southeastern Idaho. Keep us in mind when you decide you want to catch trout - we can point you north to Montana, with an evil grin.

Can’t help with your questions since I don’t do any stillwater or warmwater fishing.

But I can warn you that you will shortly hear from a fellow from Ohio named Joe V who will want you to start building a rod before you do ANYTHING else, and that would include your next class at college.

Also, there is a fellow from Oregon who goes by Flybinder. Be advised, you can take EVERYTHING he says to the bank.

Enjoy your stay.

John

Hi Chris,

You have gotten some very sound advice so far. I agree that you are over gunned for a lot of the fishing that you are doing. Ohiotuber is definitely correct when he says that you will have a lot more fun with a 3-4 weight outfit. While he favors a three weight, I would suggest an 8-9 foot four weight because of your wind situation. The wind does blow a little too free in your home state. BTW, you will eventally want to try a 1 or 2 weight for the brim.

As far as favorite and practical flies, you can’t go wrong with the suggestions you have gotten. I would look in the FAOL archives FOTW and find the the instructions for Pete Fraily’s Gurgle Pop. I tie 100’s of these a year and in #12, it is an absolute brim killer though bass in the 1-2 pound range like it pretty well too. It’s easy to tie, uses only a couple of materials and attracts fish like a glob of worms.

Good luck with your new addiction! 8T :slight_smile:

Doh! How did I leave off the Gurgle-Pop.

Another similar fly would be the Garside Gurgler.

I will defer to Warren & 8T about the 4 wt, although I do much better in wind with my 8’ 3wt St Croix pre-IPC Legend Ultra than I could with my Scott 9’ 4wt SAS, which I no longer have. When it’s really windy & I’m fishing for gills, that 3 wt is the 1st rod in my hands, followed by my 8 1/2’ Diamondback Camo. For me, it’s a comfort level with certain pieces of equipment, but certainly dropping down in rod weight will enhance your enjoyment of panfish.
Mike

Welcome Hugefish!

There are a lot of really good answers here, but since I didn’t really see anything mentioned about length, I’ll go ahead and throw in my 2 cents.

I’m not sure how it is where you fish, but the places I fish are covered with trees. And sometimes these trees will jump 30 feet just to catch my fly on a back cast. I’ve been using a 7’6" 4wt for fishing around here. For me, typically, the shorter the rod, the tighter the places I can get into. For others it may be different. Stick with it and it’ll come to ya soon enough.

There’s a lot of “tree” fish where I’m at, and I’m an expert at catching these. They are often elusive, but strike when you least expect it.

Godd observation. The answer is that I presently live in Omaha, Ne. My family moved to a small town between lincon and omaha when I was 12 or 13. before that we had lived in the town of Ozark, Mo, just south of springfield.

chris

Howdy Chris…Greetings from So. Oregon, and Welcome to the bunch!
Stick around awhile, and try out the stuff these guys suggest, and you’ll be a first rate flyfisher in no time. I started out withan 8wt. and really liked it for years, til last year I got a new Redington 9’ 6wt. I haven’t used the 8 since. I just got a 5wt. a couple weeks ago lookin to use it for some panfishin’ this summer, but have only cast it in the park. I think I’ll give it to my son, as he wants it, and go for a 3 or 4 for the panfish, namely crappie around here. I’m very green at crappie fishin’ I’ve been after trout and steelhead in the Rogue and Umpqua rivers here most of my life. The 3’s and 4’s are a little light for that water. for the fish you’re talkin about I think a 4 or 5 would suit nicely.
I’m right with you figurin out fly patterns for panfish, like crappie, and also for the bass we have around here in some nearby ponds. I’m just figurin out stillwater flyfishin, and bass fishin. so far it’s great. Also, last week I brought a nice Steelie to hand on my 6wt., first one with that rod, she was about 20" and a real dancer. My knees were shakin for 10 minutes after I watched her slip away. Gets me every time, and I been fishin for steelhead for nearly 40 years. Sometimes I can’t imagine why everybody ain’t a flyfisher.
…Again welcome, Chris…Real glad ta have ya…ModocDan

It sounds like you’re fairly new to tying flies, so I’m recommending that you take a look at this site. Click on “Tutorials”. I’ve been tying for years, and still learned a lot of technique from this site, as well as some good patterns.
http://www.troutflies.com/

Welcome aboard, and enjoy plowing through the maze of information that’s available on this site.