Greenwing teal breast

A BB member sent me a few flies last week, some of which used greenwing teal breast feathers. These are small white to cream in color with a dark brown to black spot centered on them. It got the wheels in my head turning with what else these feathers could be used for.
Duck season opened here this past saturday, and we just so happened to shoot a few drake greenwings. So I plucked a duck’s worth of these feathers to play with… (also got a pretty drake wood duck!)

Has anyone played with the drake greenwing teal breast feathers before? Any ideas?

Hi,

I’ve not used them. In fact, I’ve not seen them! Can you post a photo of a few examples? Duck breast feathers can be used as “soft wings”, such as they are used in some of the old series such as the “Mallard” and “Teal” series. The Mallard and Claret is still a fairly popular change of light pattern (tail of golden pheasant tippets, body claret seals fur/wool/cheneil, rib gold tinsel or wire, wing bronze mallard, folded, hackle claret or black hackle feather). The others have gone out of fashion, but still catch fish. Things like a Mallard and red, mallard and yellow, etc, were basically the same but changed the body colour, and the hackle might change to brown, or furnace or ginger, whatever gives a nice colour ballance with the body. The wing was just bronze mallard fibres tied in as a wing. Because these feathers aren’t stiff like quill wings, the fibres tend to “break apart” so even if you take the time to tie them in like quill wing, the prettiness is lost pretty much as soon as they touch water and start catching fish. The teal series was much the same idea, only teal breast feathers were used. Of that, the teal, blue, and silver is probably the only one of any real remaining popularity; teal and green, teal and yellow, teal and blue, etc have all tended to be relegated to the history books. Worth digging them out though, as they still will catch fish.

Anyway, I would think you could do a series of flies using your green teal feathers, similar to the above series. There were also quill wing series named by similar convention (body colour and the winging material, such as the grouse and xxx, or the woodcock and xxx, etc).

I for one would be interested in seeing how they turn out, perhaps with some good examples of the “raw feather” beside a collection of different patterns? Say, green teal and silver, green teal and green, green teal and red, and as many as you can stand. Tied in size 10, you might find they are quite a useful series to carry with you to the water.

-Jeff

Jeff,
I believe what you are thinking of are flank feathers. What I am talking about are chest feathers. Look up “greenwing teal” and find a pic of a drake. They have spotted chests… I will try and get a picture up in the next day or so of the individual feathers.

Use teal instead of woodduck.

Kid,

I’ve seen them.

The ‘whole feather’ makes great ‘cheeks’ on streamer patterns, and are nice as a wound hackle as well. The fibers make useful tails and throats for any pattern where you’d want something in that color. Also they would make nice wings on classic style bass flies.

Buddy

Forgot I had this picture stashed away.

Panman, those are cool! I actually have some woodie breast and could try 'em both. Thanks!

Nice flies ! Ive tied about 3 dozen hornburgs in different paterns but never tried to fish them yet… How do ya fish them ?

Hi,

Yes, I was thinking flank feathers. I didn’t realise the chest feathers were so much smaller. I like the look of the patterns shown. You could probably trie tying some in to lay flat across the top of the hook, with a tail, dubbed body, and hackle, in the New Zealand Pukeko style.

  • Jeff

Bugman - thanks for the kind words. I usually fish these flies on a dead drift for trout -about like you would fish a nymph. In addition a pigeon breast feather works quite well. A fellow from down south told me he caught a bunch of gills on the pigeon pie fly:

Jeff. I tie a fly with a flat wing like you are describing. I call it my go to fly. Unfortunately I don’t have a camera anymore nor a picture on file.

Quivira Kid: Hope I ain’t stealing your post but if you want to, feel free to post a picture of the fly I sent you.

Tim

Hi Panman and Quivira Kid,

I really like the look of those. They are similar to what in NZ would be called “killer” flies, which are generally tied on larger hooks (size 8-4 type thing is common). They don’t have a hackle (so differ from the hornburg in that respect), but a tail, usually of squirrel tail, but pheastant tail fibres are used in some. The “sides” are tied in the same way you have them, usually using duck flank feathers, partridge body feathers, or pheasant rump or church window feathers, (i.e. see the Mrs. Simpson in the archives), or what have you. The sides often have 2 or 3 pairs of feathers, tied in with an offset overlap (ie. a pair tied in say at the half way point and the 2nd pair tied in at the eye, so you get an overlap with the rear pair showing).

A few tied in the hornburg style and a few in the NZ Killer style would be another way to make great use of these feathers.

I think you could have a lot of fun experimenting with these.

  • Jeff

Panman, I’m gonna fish some of those you sent me tomorrow and see how they look.
I will try and get pics up tonight of Panman’s flies and also of the individual feathers.

P.S. Apparently I need to go shoot some pigeons now too. Those purpleish feathers are kinda cool!

Hi Quivira Kid,

Some cool purplish feathers can also be found on a cock ring neck pheasant, up around the neck.

Here’s a top down view:

And here’s the side view, where the wing is tied flat on top in the Pukeko style. I posted this a little while back, so you may have seen this one recently:

This next one is called Leslie’s Lure, and is a “Killer Style” fly. The tail is pheasant tail fibres, and the sides are from a hen pheasnt. It would have dubbed body, probably red or yellow wool, but I can’t recall off the top of my head. (Red is traditional for the night version, and yellow for the day, but for the life of me, with the body covered by the sides I don’t know why this would matter!

  • Jeff