I was curious if using a dropper rig or tandem rig would violate the single hook fly description most trout parks and catch and release areas
have. With winter trout coming up here in st. louis i was gonna work on my skills and hopefully use it next year at some of the rivers.
Here in Oregon, you can use Dropper/Tandem rigs in the fly only/ catch & release areas. Hooks must be under max. sise of course. I think they’re trying to disallow double & treble hooks. Also in some areas, no weighted flies, that’s lead wire, bead heads, and sinking line… Check your regs…ModocDan
To me single has always meant ONE. I doubled checked my dictionary and it said single means ONE and ONLY ONE. So I don’t think you want to get caught with anything else in an area that the regulations say only a single hook can be used.
Yes, I have been told that tandem is NOT legal in the Missouri Parks. One is one.
isnt the answer in your state fishing regulation booklet or website???
It is not really defined in the Missouri reg book. The closest thing is that an angler may only use up to 3 rods and no more than 33 hooks.
I have seen people in Missouri parks use more than one fly. Usually a dry and dropper.
I am quite sure that it is legal to use more than one fly.
Just to be sure, I have e-mailed this question to the person who handles this sort of thing for the Missouri Dept. of Conservation.
I will post his reply here when I get a reply.
Brian
FLY RULE :lol:
The infield fly rule applies when there are fewer than two outs, and there is a force play at third (runners on first and second base, or bases loaded). In these situations, if a fair fly ball is hit that, in the umpire’s judgment, is catchable by an infielder with ordinary effort, the batter is out regardless of whether the ball is actually caught in flight. The rule states that the umpire is supposed to announce, “Infield fly, if fair.” If the ball will be almost certainly fair, the umpire will likely yell, “Infield fly, batter’s out!” or just “Batter’s out!” Umpires also typically raise one arm straight up to signal to everyone that the rule is in effect.
ERGO; If Conservation Officer Yells “Illegal fly” , “your Out” and raises his arm straight up He is signaling that your out and liable to a hefty fine. :lol:
Single hook could also mean single hook per fly. You’re going to catch the fish with only one hook.
In missouri parks dropper rigs are legal. So i am shure that they would also be in the Urban fishing parks also. This has been discussed a couple of time at
http://ozarkanglers.com/forums/index.ph … l=droppers
Ill look up the regs and post them
3 CSR 10-12.150 Fishing, Trout Parks
PURPOSE: This rule establishes methods,
seasons, and limits for fishing within Trout
Park streams under management agreement
with the department.
(1) On Maramec Spring Park, Bennett Spring
State Park, Montauk State Park and Roaring
River State Park:
(A) Fishing is permitted on designated
waters during posted hours. Not more than
one (1) pole and line may be used by one (1)
person at any time. Gigging, snaring, snagging,
and the taking of live bait are prohibited.
Flies, artificial lures, unscented soft plastic
baits and natural and scented baits may be
used, except in waters posted as restricted to
specific baits or lures. The use of any foods
to attract fish, except when placed on a hook,
is prohibited.
(B) Trout fishing is permitted from March
1 through October 31. The daily limit is four(4) trout,
and no person shall continue to fish
for any species after having four (4) trout in
possession. Fishing in the designated trout
waters is permitted only by holders of a
signed valid area daily trout fishing tag.
? On a designated portion of Montauk
State Park and Roaring River State Park,
catch and release trout fishing only is permitted
from March 1 through October 31. Only
flies may be used, and trout must be returned
to the water unharmed immediately after
being caught. Trout may not be possessed in
these designated areas, and no person with
four (4) trout already in possession may fish
there.
(D) Trout fishing is permitted from 8:00
a.m. to 4:00 p.m. on Fridays, Saturdays,
Sundays and Mondays from the second Friday
in November through the second Monday
in February at Bennett Spring State Park,
Montauk State Park and Roaring River State
Park. Fishing in designated trout waters is
permitted only by holders of a valid trout permit.
Only flies may be used, and all fish must
be returned to the water unharmed immediately
after being caught. Fish may not be possessed
on these waters.
(E) Trout fishing is permitted from 8:00
a.m. to 4:00 p.m. daily from the second Friday
in November through the second Monday
in February at Maramec Spring Park. Fishing
is permitted only by holders of a valid trout
permit. Only flies may be used and all fish
must be returned to the water unharmed
immediately after being caught. Fish may
not be possessed on these waters
(23) Flies, lures and baits: The following are
authorized for use except where restricted in
3 CSR 10-6.415, 3 CSR 10-6.535, 3 CSR 10-
11.205, 3 CSR 10-12.135 and 3 CSR 10-
12.150.
(A) Natural and scented baits?A natural
fish food such as bait fish, crayfish, frogs
permitted as bait, grubs, insects, larvae,
worms, salmon eggs, cheese, corn and other
food substances not containing any ingredient
to stupefy, injure or kill fish. Does not
include flies or artificial lures. Includes
dough bait, putty or paste-type bait, any substance
designed to attract fish by taste or
smell and any fly, lure or bait containing or
used with such substances.
(B) Soft plastic bait (unscented)?Synthetic
eggs, synthetic worms, synthetic grubs and
soft plastic lures.
? Artificial lure?A lure constructed of
any material excluding soft plastic bait and
natural and scented bait as defined in (A) or
(B) above.
(D) Fly?An artificial lure constructed on
a single-point hook, using any material
except soft plastic bait and natural and scented
bait as defined in (A) or (B) above, that is
tied, glued or otherwise permanently
attached.
In Ontario, we don’t have too many no kill fishing zones. Each No Kill waterway seems to have its own rules at the moment, too. The upper Grand is one such place. Single barbless hooks, no bait. In this case, Single barbless hook means ONE hook but it can contain more than on barb, unlike the rules in BC. Single means SINGLE there.
In Ontario that means you can have ONE fly on your fly line, so no, you can not use a tandem rig or dropper off a dry in those waters. But is most other waters its perfectly legal.
Talk to the Rangers. We were told it was illegal in the Trout Parks.
Some areas actually dictate no bead-headed nymphs or flies? I’ve never heard of that. I don’t think there are any places in NY where we can’t use them.
Actually it’s more complicated than that on some Oregon streams… no weight, no bead, hook must be dressed with feathers, etc. to resemble natural insect, no hooks larger than 3/8ths" from shank to hook point, and catch and release. All rainbow trout over 18" are considered Steelhead, and fall under Steelhead regulations. Some waters here in Oregon also require fly - angling equipment as well, (no spin rigs with casting bubbles). Most Oregon streams with Anadronomous fisheries ie: sea run fish, allow bait fishing only part of the year on portions of the stream, with fly - only regs during critical times of the year for the fish. I suppose to make it more difficult for many anglers, and give the fish a better chance. There are streams that allow only artificial flies with positive bouyancy. Those are hard flies to keep down very deep. Fortunately, I prefer fly fishing, and it hardly limits me at all. Here in Oregon we’re seeing more and more fly fishers, and more and more catch and release fishers, I like that too, though I do occaisionally bring home a hatchery fish or two for dinner. Incidentally, I’m also starting to see lots of guys swinging big ol’ two handed spey rigs 12’ long…ModocDan
In Missouri per the above Regulation
The way the rules are stated the definition of a fly has to do with Its being constructed on a single point hook not a single fly. Many have interpreted this the wrong way, but it is perfectly legal to use more than on fly as long as each of them only have a single point and all are attached to a single pole.
edited twice to clarify 
ROFLMAO
That’s funnnnnnny Gnu Bee…oh, it is playoff time!
Carl
Ok folks,
I e-mailed Mr. Mike Kruse from the Mo. Dept. of Conservation. He is the fisheries program supervisor.
He also specifically deals with regulations.
Here is what he e-mailed back to me:
[b]Mr. Greer:
Thanks for your inquiry about use of dropper flies in the trout parks.
Feel free to share this response with other anglers who may have the
same question.
?Dropper flies? are permitted anywhere flies are permitted. As
long as each fly satisfies the definition of a fly, you may use multiple
flies on the same leader. The Wildlife Code contains the following
definitions of flies, lures and baits:
3 CSR 10-20.805 Definitions
(23) Flies, lures and baits:
(A) - Natural and scented baits - A natural fish food such as bait
fish, crayfish, frogs permitted as bait, grubs, insects, larvae, worms,
salmon eggs, cheese, corn and other food substances not containing any
ingredient to stupefy, injure or kill fish. Does not include flies or
artificial lures. Includes dough bait, putty or paste-type bait, any
substance designed to attract fish by taste or smell and any fly, lure
or bait containing or used with such substances.
(B) Soft plastic bait (unscented) - Synthetic eggs, synthetic worms,
synthetic grubs and soft plastic bait.
(C) Artificial Lure - A lure constructed of any material excluding soft
plastic bait and natural and scented baits as defined in (A) or (B)
above.
(D) Fly - Artificial lure constructed on a single-point hook, using
any material except soft plastic bait and natural and scented bait as
defined in (A) or (B) above, that is tied, glued or otherwise
permanently attached.
Furthermore, the Wildlife Code in 3 CSR 10-6.410 has additional
information on general fishing methods. Each angler may use up to 33
hooks at one time, so fly fishers can legally use several dropper flies
on one leader. While there is no minimum or maximum separation distance
required between flies on the leader, anglers fishing in ?flies
only? areas need to keep enough distance between flies so that the
?single-point hook? provision in the fly definition is maintained.
One additional item that fly anglers need to keep in mind when fishing
dropper flies is that game fish may not be snagged. Foul-hooking is
more common when dropper flies are used and any trout not hooked in the
mouth must be released immediately.
Let me know if you have any additional questions.
Mike[/b]
So there you have it…from the source.
In Missouri, more than one fly is legal. Like I said before…up to 33 hooks…but that’s a lot of droppers. Just don’t have them too close together… 
Betty, I know what you mean about talking to the rangers. I have not used 2 flies in the parks. But I will in the future…and I will have a printout of my e-mail from Mr. Mike Kruse with me along-side my fishing license.
See you on the stream,
Brian
33 flies would be one heck of a set! :shock: With my casting I can sadly say that two is about my limit, without constantly having to untangle things.
Thanks for the Official follow up Mr. Greer. Those kinda contacts must be great to have.
JJ
Yeah, two is about my limit, also…
any more than that and I really have tangle issues. I have used 3 on occasion, but I really wasn’t casting any distance…basically picking up and flipping upstream.
Brian