Fly Rod Review: Orvis Helios

flybinder:Some one mentioned “Do you know, what it’s LIKE to cast a $600.00 rod all day?” Hmmmmm. Well, that to me, sounds more like; “Do you know, what it’s like to cast $600.00 worth of rod company hype all day?” Or, as many of us love to do… saying it in Latin… “Do you know what it’s like to cast a lot of ego all day?”

I read that a lot on this forum. You do own upper end rods…you really don’t think they are made better?
It has nothing to do with ego to me. They are made better, lighter, and more attention to detail.
I have the 150. TFO and the 600+ rods. While the TFO is fun and a great rod, it really is laking in feel to the others.
What I ment by that comment, was they are a pleasure…due to the workmanship, to cast, not because of the name.
I have to go with the Harley Davidson and the Moped idea. Both get you from point A to point B, but which is more comfortable?
Tell me this, why is it a men’s LEVIS jacket can cost upwards around $75. when a Boy’s XL (hair smaller than a men’s small) will cost $40. Is there that much more material in the men’s?
Maybe the 600+ rods are over priced but that is the way it is and it don’t look to change. You can get good deals off of e-bay, but to get one of the first rods with that small serial number on it is kewl.

We have sponsors that sell rods in all price ranges. They are all fine rods or they wouldn’t be on here. The lowest priced rods benefit from the great volume of sales allowing for the price to be and stay low. Still, a good value for the money invested. The high-end rods suffer from the low volume of sales and must be more due to the lighter sales numbers. Some will say they aren’t good enough at casting to be able to get all there is out of a high-end rod. That may or may not be true as most have never cast one. Secondly, I have seen many improve instantly when given the opportunity to cast one. Sometimes, the rod really can make you a better caster, let alone making it possible to fish all day with far less fatigue.

Whoooeee!!!

How do you stir up a room full of fly fisherman??? Bring up the subject of high priced fly rods. :lol: :lol:

Chill man.

Dr Bob

Here is the way I see this…

It is all a marketing thing…

Let’s face it, our forefathers of this great sport of fly fishing, whose names we know and books are written on, are known not by what vehicle they drove to the river, not by whose vest they wore, not by whose rod they used, not by whose fly tying material they used. We know them from what they have done for this great sport. Their names became important to us from their works not how they dressed or what equipment they used. This new generation of fly fishers can afford to look the part which in their own mind and many younger followers, makes them look like they have contributed a lot to the sport and if the truth was know, they have contributed more to the equipment companies and very little to the sport. People are making more money now and they can look like they are “all knowing” from what equipment they use and how they look (walking billboards). Fortunately for us older folks, the equipment they purchase to “look the part” so that they “fit in” to the latest trend can be bought for very little money once they decide to change sports. There are a lot of people who are not fly fishing for what the sport gives in return which is beautiful surroundings, beautiful water, wild flowers, peaceful surroundings, solitude, open space, etc… They are fly fishing because “mister big shot” fly fishes and if I look the part he may offer me a postion with his company and I will make more money.

There is nothing wrong with any rod company making rods and asking the prices they ask as long as there are people willing to pay the price. I feel there is a difference between the feel of a top dollar rod and a low dollar rod as long as the top dollar rod is quality built, and the way technology has progressed, the newer rods built with the latest knowledge on material should and will be more comfortable to use and have better “feel” and sensitivity which are good points and technology costs more. No one knows how much it costs to change rod making tools and materials to rebuild a new rod with new materials and tools. This addictional cost will be figured into the final cost of the product.

Yes, I own some top dollar rods from Sage and I do feel they fish better for me than the low end rods I started with and still own. Yes, I can catch as many fish with the lower end rods as I can with the top end rods, but, the top end rods are lighter and more sensitive and after fishing them all day, I am not wore out. I have helped others on the river with their fishing skills and have asked them to swap rods with me and they are amazed with the differences they can feel with using a rod that is better built than the one they presently are using. I honestly feel all new comers to fly fishing should start out with a lower end rod and once they have the basics of fly fishing down, then move to better equipment. Starting out this way, they will appreciate better equipment and what it can do for their fishing.

Everyone dances to a different tune and money rules with some and does not mean anything to others. To each their own and the equipment companies will cater to those with the money and in the end, I guess everyone will get something out of all of it.

For me, in the end, I hopefully, will get to purchase some “used” top dollar equipment at prices that I can afford! :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

Now lets all go fishing with whatever equipment we may have that we are comfortable using and enjoy using…

So, when are we going fishing together Warren? :smiley:

Pete,

If you were here I would take off work and we would go today!! I am looking forward to fishing with you someday and to finally meet you in person. I imagine your weather is getting colder than ours, so, you may need to come here if you want to fish this month! :slight_smile:

Looking at rods in this price range and the claims of the manufacturers leads me to one of the conclusions already attributted to PT Barnham and another one, author unknown, “A fool and his money are soon parted”.

Deezel

When all is said and done, any object is worth exactly what someone is willing to give you for it. If someone is willing to pay $800 for a fly rod, then it’s worth $800.

So, Pete (or should I start calling you Dad?), when’s the spring runoff over out your way? Should I bring my own pillow and blanket for the couch or do you have extras?

Your newly adopted fishing bum son. :smiley:

Jeff (from Kentucky soon to be from Colorado)

I’m pretty shocked by the weather here Warren. It’s in the mid 60’s. I’ve only missed one day of fishing since coming here. I know it won’t last much longer.

Jeff…you’re killing me. :smiley:

Jeff…you’re killing me.

Glad I could be of service :lol: :lol:

Jeff

SUCK UP! :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
I decided a long time ago I don’t want children, so I am not even going to describe where I live LOL

And JC, it has taken me a long to to understand you, but you have just become one of my HERO’s :lol:

Fly Goddess:
THANK YOU!
You summed up this ENTIRE THREAD, with your very last statement and proved what I was saying all along…
"To get a high end rod, with a very low serial number…“IS KEWL”.
That statement is exactly, what, I was getting at. "It really breaks down to “What I have-you don’t have-elitism” , that drives our sport today, on high end gear.
I’ve already stated, that I own plenty of “high end” rods and I’ve admitted that they fish and cast better, than my cheaper collection. (but, the rods I own, that are “in the middle”, are the ones I enjoy fishing with the most).

But, what I mainly was trying to get at, was… "It’s up to each fly fisher, whether or not he/she “needs” the upper end, $800.00 rods, to truly enjoy this sport to its full potential!?
Do you, “NEED”, to spend $800.00 to fish better and be less fatigued at the end of the day, OR, simply to “be kewl”!?

The new, "Helios" is 1/2 OUNCE, not 1/2 POUND, lighter than one of my favorite rods, that I paid $355.00 less, for, than the price on the new Helios. That's pretty expensive "per ounce purchasing" in my book!

Of course, my BIGGEST FEAR, is that when I kick off, my bride sells all my fly fishing gear, for “What I told her, I’d pay for all of it”!! I don’t know, what she’ll do with that $3.97, but I’m sure, she’ll think of something!?!

Fair enough. I still don’t use the upper end for ego/statis/etc. but rather cause I try them and love the feel. I guess what I am looking for does come in the higher priced package, but that is what I want these days. I call it sophistication (even if I can’t spell it LOL). All I can say is the Helios is more than that 1/2 ounce. It feels REALLY GOOD to me, but maybe not to you, that is why there is so many different choices out there
I have earned it.
I fish a lot with my $400 teastick also, plus the superfines. To be honest my 0ver $600. are my 6wt and ups.
My battenkill and penns creek are 4wt’s however, but the battenkill is in the safe for future use.

Again I am not an elitist, but rather go with the flow…I never thought a gallon of milk would coat over $2.00.

To stereo-type people that have the over $600. rods is not fair either.
They are not all elitist, snobs, egomaniacs, ect. Sure there is some that do by for that reason,
but there are the ones like me that can tell the difference and appriciate it. More so, need and rely on it.
There are those like PETE, that like the PURDY COLOR (sorry pete, I couldn’t help myself LOL)
There are those that buy it cause of the maker (just like movies with your favorite star…if my star is in it, it has to be good!)
Loyalty to a particular store or brand.
Even those that buy cause they have the sticker already on their car.
There is a lot of reasons.

I can have fun with a Wally World outfit, you bet. I could probably even catch fish.
But my style is mine and developed to appriciate the finer (small as they might be) things.

SUCK UP!
I decided a long time ago I don’t want children, so I am not even going to describe where I live LOL

Fly Goddess
If you live as close to good water as Pete does and you 're not interested in children, how about a husband or boyfriend?

I do have the makings of the perfect trout bum. I’m 47, lazy, would rather fish than eat, I think 8 hours on the water is a good start for a day’s fishing, I’ll step over clutter and a pile of dirty clothes in the house to reach my fishing equipment so that I can clean my fly line, and if someone else is buying it for me, I don’t think $800 is too much to spend on a fly rod.

I think that pretty much completes my resume.

I’m sure Pete would kick me out of the house after a few weeks of eating him out of house and home and not paying my fair share of the bills. How close are you to Colorado? Is it feasible to get a ride from point A to point B?

Dad, err, I mean Pete, can kick his deadbeat trout bum son out, but a loving husband is quite a different story. :lol:

Heck if you’re within walking or short driving distance to great trout water, I may even cook dinner a couple nights the first month or so or pay a couple bills (with your credit card or course).

By the way, do you have a reliable vehicle? :smiley:

(Pete and Fly Goddess, I sure do hope you both know I’m just joking around. I honestly like my life, love my wife and wouldn’t leave my boy for all the great fishing water in the world. I WILL be a fish bum upon retirement from my job though!).

Jeff

Never explain your humor. It kills the immersion.

Let some laugh with you while others get mad at you.

It’s fun.

Never explain your humor. It kills the immersion.

Dad, err, Pete, see, you’re already giving me that fatherly coaching I so very much need. I knew you’d get used to the idea of a son around the house.

Well, according to my wife, the part about stepping over dirty laundry to clean my fly line is accurate. Heck, according to the loving wife, most everything I said about myself is pretty much accurate.

Fly Goddes, my wife even said that if you live that close to good fishing water and you’d be willing to put up with me something may be able to be worked out.

I really do have the foundation laid to be a first rate fishing bum.

Jeff

Fly goddess, thanks. It has been a long day. At the Dr. this morning to check on the busted vertebrate in my back. MRI tomorrow. Still on pills. Wife seems to be improving. Your compliment is the high spot of my week, at least. I think we could fish the same pool.

Fly Godess.
Your questions were very prudent.
Since my preferred quarry is trout and the nearest place to fish is about 5 hours away the answer is maybe a dozen trips a year. :frowning:
Didnt you read toward the end of my post? :shock:
I cant drive a Ferrari the way its that its built to be driven.
I can drive one( any loaners out there?). I wouldnt understan the finer nuances of it.
I cant cast like Lefty K. either .
I can cast good to superb rods .
I just dont understand the finer nuances of them .
My loss. :frowning: :frowning: :frowning:
Im still thrilled for what Ive got. :lol: :lol: :lol:

“A man has to know his limitations”
Clint Eastwood(Outlaw Josey Wales)?