Marketing!!! Getting people to buy something they don’t need with money they don’t have!!
This is some great rod according to the article. It is lighter and it cast a fly!! What a product! The rods I currently have are only light and cast a fly. That’s worth $755 right?
I guess if you can find people to pay for it at those prices, so be it. I agree with the P.T. Barnum comments.
Dr Bob :lol:
What would you rather they said… In any job I have ever held, it was the best! You believe that and you can express that.
It is an AD, they are going to print THE BEST, it would be stupid not to. Plus all their ADS in the past have been true…to some, not all, but some and that is enough. One man’s trash is anothers treasure so to speak.
WHAT THE HECK DID BARNUM SAY ANYWAY!? :lol:
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Pete,
I think another good questin is how much difference does the extra 1/2oz make?
If the answer was that there was a huge difference and I would notice the 1/2oz and it would make me a far better fisherman, then the price difference would be justified.
I somehow doubt if a rod that is 1/2 oz lighter is going to make me a better fisherman.
Time on the water, practice and more time on the water and more practice are what’s going to make a better fisherman.
I wish it were so easy that I could drop $800 at my local fly shop and be a better fisherman, but like anything else that is worth doing, it takes a lot of time and effort.
The good news about all of this is I cannot think of many things I’d rather spend time practicing than fishing (yes, there’s always that but it is still fun to fish without a partner 
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Jeff[/quote]
That was my point. It won’t make a difference. The weight of the reel will have more of an impact than a 1/2 oz distributed throughout a rod.
Now if we’re talking an old heavy 5 oz rod compared to the new Orvis? That you’d feel.
Well…after all the discussion, I wouldn’t be caught dead with one at a Fish In :lol:
Speaking of overpriced Orvis rods.
Well if the money does go for conservation, this is good.
I think the Trout Bum 4wt 4pc is the sweetest little rod since Bamboo. I do have the Far-n-fine old and new and I have the one ounce 4wt., but the TB is a GREAT rod. Now the fact that they have put Bling Bling on it and I love that reel seat, add to the the conservation thing, I don’t see it as OVERPRICED. It is a collectors item, just like those commerative coins. To someone it will matter.
Pete, you suprise me with this overpriced out look. You, the one that went all the way with the boo and the silk and now a Winston?
I did score a great deal on a Tiborlight and I tell you, this on a Helios…Heaven, I’m in Heaven 8)
Am I the only one here that sees just how great the US economy is, that a company can come out with a fishin’ pole for almost $800, and know that there is a market out there for them? Just look around you on the highway and see the number of $50,000+ vehicles that are on the road. What about $100+ tennies for kids? They can’t keep them in stock.
This is the greatest nation on the face of the planet, and there are enough people with either the cash or the credit line that allows them to have the very best (real or perceived) of everything there is. This is what fuels the economy…vanity, not necessity.
BTW, P.T. Barnum’s quote is; “There’s a sucker born every minute.” I don’t know if this necessarily applies here, but that’s what was being alluded to.
He also said "Without promotion something terrible happens… Nothing!? This justifies the advertising manufacturers must do to get you to believe their claims.
If my casting was so bad that I thought I needed a new rod to improve (I only have 11 fly rods), I believe I would spend the money on visiting JC & LF and get me some one-on-one casting lessons and water time. I learned a couple of small tips from JC at the MI FI in July, and it made a world of difference in my casting. Interestingly, the tips applied to all 11 rods in my quiver. Go figure…
Joe
Yes, but I buy used Joni. I pay mid price for a high end rod. Have you tried a BIIt? I find it very sweet. Soft tip and mid section with the boron butt seems to work at all distances. It’s perfect for the Arkansas River type waters.
Are they made in the USA or across the pond? I’ll put my money on across pond in the china area…Almost everything that Orvis makes is made in china, not that’s it’s bad but, what a mark up from a man that makes $5 bucks a day and a free bowl of rice at lunch to make it. Sorry I’m a conservative hillbilly from N AR & can’t help it. Please take no offence with this comment, please. I would like to know if they are made in the USA myself.
“It’s perfect for the Arkansas River type waters”.
Oh no!..you’re not moving to Arkansas now are you ,Gramps… :shock: :shock:
The Arkansas River starts in Colorado. It’s a 5 minute walk from where I live. I have a 150 miles of it to fish in Co.
He dosen’t have to he’s on the Ark. River head waters in Buena Vista, CO. it starts there, lucky you Gramps.
Oh, crap! Now we’ll have to study the nuances of the Arkansas River’s width, slope, flow, etc. to determine if this rod will measure up to this new “standard.” Does this mean it won’t work on other types of waters, or just that it will perform inferior on non-Arkansa River type waters? Please clarify the uniqueness of said river as pertains to this rod. I’m sure others will be interested as well.
Joe
To be honest. I wish it wasn’t a rafting river. It’s kind of a pain for the fisherman. However, it brings in money for the small town of Buena Vista, so no complaints.
[quote=“Joe_Valencic”]
Oh, crap! Now we’ll have to study the nuances of the Arkansas River’s width, slope, flow, etc. to determine if this rod will measure up to this new “standard.” Does this mean it won’t work on other types of waters, or just that it will perform inferior on non-Arkansa River type waters? Please clarify the uniqueness of said river as pertains to this rod. I’m sure others will be interested as well.
Joe[/quote]
LOL. Did I step in do do with that comment? I guess what I meant was it’s not a small stream rod like i’ve been fishing this past season. I’ve been using a 6’6" and a 7’6" rod for those. I decided next season I was going to switch to a little larger rivers. The 9’ 5wt seemed like a good choice.
I plan on fishing besides the Ark. Frying Pan, Taylor, Roaring Fork, and So Platte. I put those waters in the same category that my rod will do well on.
Make any sense?
If not, i’m having a senior moment. 
Yes, you stepped right in the middle of it with both feet. :lol: Gotcha!
Joe
The only reason to buy the latest, most expensive rod out there is because you can. I have finally figured out, after 30+ years, that money spent on lessons are dollars well spent. I purchased a Sage Z axis this year. I went up to Rusty Gates place on the AuSabel to try it out. The guide I was fishing with noticed the rod and asked to try it out. 3 False cast and he had 70 feet of line out. I just stood there with my mouth open. I could have handed him my TFO and I suspect he would have had the same results. That being said, I can’t wait for all of the new rods to come out! My buddy wants to fish Alaska in 2008 and I know I have nothing good enough to take with me.
Almost everything that Orvis makes is made in china,
Their rods are made in the US
Jeff
My,My,My,
Its like the man once said"Much ado about nothing…" :lol: .
If I had the cash I would have all of the new and improved stuff going.
Why? 'Cause he who dies with the most toys WINS!!!
That being said my old Dad told me a long time ago when I was ogling an excessivly expensive target rifle at a match (Dad was a semi professional shooter) " Thats a darn fine rifle but the guy that owns it cant hit @#$% with or without it ".
That little conversation has stuck for forty years. You have to have the ability to use your equipment to its capability.
I have a lot of rods and none are worth any real money. I wouldnt sell one of them for the price of one of the new orvis rods ( and yes, like the rest of the fellows here I could easily write a cheque for one). All of them mean a little somthing to me.
There is the clunker no name that one of my daughters gave me as a birthday gift. The old wonder rod that came my way for Christmas ( I finally figured out how to make the darn thing go ofter thirty years of false starts with it). There is the 12 dollar Garcia (of all things) that a friend thought that I could use.
Got an Orvis traveler that my wife just knew that I had to have for a mortorcycle trip to Colorado. Went thrift store shopping and lucked into an early vintage Orvis graphite for 2 $ (man that thing is sooo smoooth and the way it lifts tthe line off the water is a pure joy).
Yeah, if I wanted one I could have it .No complaints from my wife , no real injury to the wallet ,no change in the way I live. I dont have that need that seems to prevail for even quiet one upmanship.
I cant drive a Ferrari the way its made to go.
I dont figure that I could cast one of the new Orvis rods the way Lefty K could either . 8)
Any way I look at it Im glad for what Ive got.
Well said my friend…