http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/10/05/trout.html
Plse check this article out from the CBC.ca, it is from Oregon.
It appears that hatchery fish are lazy and may not want to bred, after being in the hatchery for a few years and they(the scientists) think that they may make lazy fry if they do get off their tail fins and do the nasty deed.
Sounds like maybe just maybe somebody somewhere needs something new to study :lol:
Ray,
They could always take an extended vacation and Study MY Breeding Habits!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Doug :shock:
This sounds like a novel definition of “fish porn”.
Ed
Yawn…
Makes perfect sense!! It happened in Oregon! The Study guys are bored, so they sit there and watch the Fish in a concrete pond, TRY to love one another. Mr. Study person! Did ya ever think the poor fish need some privacy???
Doug
Why is it called “nasty deed?” I find beauty in creation and re-creation. IMO, there’s nothing nasty about it. I guess beauty is in the mind of the beholder. Hmmmmmm…
Joe
Making light of a rather serious situation, what? Implying that hatchery fish are “too lazy for sex” is something of a mischaracterization of the study’s results. Low spawning success rates among hatchery salmon and steelhead, low survival rates among their offspring and the possibility of hybridization with wild fish and a subsequent decline in their reproductive rates are serious concerns at a time when many runs are extensively supported by large and costly hatchery programs. These are problems that fisheries managers in the Northwest are only now beginning to come to grips with in spite of the fact that similar studies going back a couple of decades have come to the same or similar conclusions.
Preston,
Inferior Hatchery Fish (Trout, Salmon and Steelhead) is the Foundation that Licensed Fishermen have to work with. What do you think about the strength of this Foundation?? Let’s say you are a Hatchery Manager and people are doing Studies to try and figure out WHY! the Hatchery Fish aren’t breeding?? I guess my Hatchery Job isn’t a PAIN already! I have to have someone do Studies about what’s wrong with captive Fish in a concrete holding pond. Doing Studies on Hatchery Fish is like Studying an Edsel. (Failed Auto)
It’s already been proven Hatchery Fish don’t handle the stress of migrating to the Ocean and returning to inland streams to spawn.
A. Is the Heat on the State to grow more Fish in the Hatchery, because if they don’t produce MORE Hatchery Fish, there goes License Revenue, OUT the window!
B. The Ideal situation would be to Manage only Wild Fish, but we abused that to the point of having to build Hatcheries, so US Fishermen would be able to take Fish home.
C. To me it’s Reality (Hatcheries) and to try and Study Reality is a waste of time in my opinion.
D. On a small scale, you or I could grow Fish in an Aquarium, then release them into the Wild. Does that make us irresponsible?? (Maybe give them Antibiotics First)??
When I was shopping at my Grocery Store, I looked at fillets of Salmon and on the Label was the word “WILD” WHY?? It seems people are getting more educated and picky about WHAT they eat!!
Preston, It’s interesting that consumers want “WILD” Salmon and they may not know anything about Managing Fisheries and these people might not even go fishing! So Hatchery Fish are useful for keeping the Fishing Economy going, but they are not genetically equal to Wild Fish, which makes dumping them (Hatchery Fish) into our Rivers when their Smolts, HOPING a good % make it to the Ocean, yrs later, HOPING these Fish return to Spawn and subjecting these Hatchery Fish to navigating the Dams. Does it seem like the Front Line, First String, is used up and were throwing in the Reserves?? YEA!
In Reality it’s about MONEY and anyone who cares about Wild Trout, Steelhead and Salmon, can keep dreaming on the sidelines.
Doug
maybe some of the hatcheries can use wild caught fish returning to their rivers to spawn to provide the eggs and milt, for the next gen of raised fish they then release the spawn ASAP never taking them from the waters, using river water to run the hatchery, and not breding the fish that they raise, that way all they are doing is giving the fry a safe neighborhood to grow up in.
Just an idea, I agree with what DShock is saying, we set this failure up, and now we have to deal with it.
[quote=“Joe_Valencic”]
Why is it called “nasty deed?” I find beauty in creation and re-creation. IMO, there’s nothing nasty about it. I guess beauty is in the mind of the beholder. Hmmmmmm…
Joe[/quote]
Just being a goof, Joe
nothing nasty about the nasty deed
As my youngest boy said (which shocked me ) "Beauty is in the mind (eye) of the BEER holder
Ok Doug I am a visual kind of guy. BUT that was too sublime for even me. What does it all mean.
[quote=“flyfishfairwx”]
Ok Doug I am a visual kind of guy. BUT that was too sublime for even me. What does it all mean.[/quote]
Ray,
That represents my failed 32 yrs of marriage! Note the last one! Beating my Head against the wall! Realistic Huh???
Doug 
Sorry Dude but now that I get it, it is funny as hell? :lol:
Now Plse understand I am laughing at the cartoons, and not your situation.
The fact that you can make fun and light of it now, is a good sign that the healing process is starting, I think.
:idea:
Ray,
I’m healed and fine now, but it took a couple yrs. The main thing is I have a wonderful Son!
And the only motive I had for the Love Smilies was to get the Fish in the Mood, but I saw that brick wall Smilie and changed motives! :lol:
Doug
The solution is very simple, close all the hatcheries, fire all the fisheries managers, close the rivers for three years and during that time have fly-fishers manage for wild fish.
MontanaMoose
When you look at the Big Picture, are Wild Trout, Steelhead and Salmon being hurt by people who fish?? (with a rod and reel), are these fish being hurt by Squawfish (Columbia River)(Fishermen get paid to kill the Squawfish), are these fish being hurt by Sea Lions at Bonneville Dam?? are these fish hurt by bad water quality??, are these fish hurt by predation in the Ocean??
It kinda looks like it is irresponsible to throw a Hatchery Fish to the Wolves and expect it to actually return to spawn in a few yrs. Even if the Hatchery Fish does return, the Hatchery is breeding inferior Fish for the future.
Doing what George suggests would open a whole can of worms!! It’s interesting in the Press that fingers are pointed at every possibility except US! (until this Article)
Doug
Doug, the emoticons were hysterical. lol.
Thanks! It was a Total Accident! :lol:
Doug
Cool idea I agree in part, there should be river keepers on all rivers, HONEST men and woman who will not falter, and give into the poaching demon :twisted: if we could trust the fisheries managers and the hatchery staff that maybe a good job for them, but I noticed that they said that they knew of the problem for years and this is the first I have heard of it :shock:
Would like to have thought that they were working on a solution a long time a go instead of happily keeping their jobs safe.
[quote=“flyfishfairwx”]
Cool idea I agree in part, there should be river keepers on all rivers, HONEST men and woman who will not falter, and give into the poaching demon :twisted: if we could trust the fisheries managers and the hatchery staff that maybe a good job for them, but I noticed that they said that they knew of the problem for years and this is the first I have heard of it :shock:
Would like to have thought that they were working on a solution a long time a go instead of happily keeping their jobs safe.[/quote]
Ray,
The Government Hatchery workers aren’t guilty of anything but doing what their told. The Law & Policy comes from the Top (Lawmakers) It’s like a Football Team without a second Team. Riding a Dead Horse into the ground. The toughest thing is changing Policy. Oregon’s Fish management depends on Hatchery Fish. Oregon’s Hatcheries depend on Us buy Fishing Licenses. Without those Hatchery Steelhead & Salmon, we would not be able to keep any fish, since the Wild Fish have to be released. So you see, it’s a merry go round and to get off of the status quo, it will probably take a lot of money which would have to be allocated by the Government. I’m not holding my breath, since there have been prior cases that took years to resolve. When your only option is depending on Lawmakers, well that’s not the best option for quickly getting anything done. This latest Study isn’t going to help the hatchery workers morale, one bit.
The failure of the raising of Steelhead & Salmon in our Hatcheries is a good lesson for everyone! Creating anything on a shaky foundation isn’t good for the long run.
Doug