Anybody ever have any luck or even experience with the Edagener fly? I tied up a bunch and I have very little faith in them. Perhaps it’s a good fly for foul hooking fish by the tail. Who knows?
Joe…you sure you didn’t type that standing on your head:shock::shock:
My head was somewhere, but I don’t think I was standing on it. :shock:
:rolleyes: I know what that fly spells backwards but have no idea what it is forwards???/
Duck - when I googled it I came up with the same as you. If that is what Senor LoTech is asking about I can say I have caught oodles of trout with it. Sometimes with the white tied in front and sometimes with the white tyed in the back.
Tim
Would that not be the fly Lotech is talking about? The edagener, is tied with the white in back. That “other” one has the white in front. Surprisingly good fly … hang with it Lotech!!
Yup. That’s what ole Lotech is talking about. :rolleyes:
Joe -
If you go with the edagener version, figure on catching fish on the backcast.
If you go with the “other version,” WOW, it is a super fly for trout in moving water, maybe stillwater, too ??
About four years ago, I fished nothing but the “other version” and elk hair caddis flies for about four months, starting in early / mid summer. Caught bunches of fish on them, probably about 50-50 between the two patterns, usually in size 14 and 16.
I think it was three summers ago that I decided to try the forward cast version on my favorite cutthroat stream during a Western Green Drake hatch. In a size 12, as I recall. Lights out !! Couldn’t hardly keep the fish away from the fly, not that I really wanted to !!
Some folks I know fish it in sizes 18 and 20 as a midge cluster, kind of like a Griffith Gnat.
The other thing about this fly ( the forward version, at least ) is that you can fish it as a dry on an upstream dead drift presentation, as a wet with whatever approach you want, or as a mini-streamer, stripping it in after an across or down and across cast.
John
P.S. Then there is the edagener elbuod which also has a forward cast version. I haven’t tried that one, but I know that they are pretty popular with some very good fishermen around here.
P.S.1 There is a reason that this is the State Fly of ohadI.
You say “maybe stillwater”.
Most of my success with the fly has came on lakes in the Uinta’s.
Tim
Tim -
Just in case I happen onto some of that stuff one of these days, what sizes do you fish it on stillwater, and what kind of presentation ??
John
John: This is a rather “iffy” answer because of the time lag and memory lapse on my part.
My father & I used to fish the Unitas every summer - just like a religion. We visited it every time we could. But that ended when I joined the Army in 1960. When I finally retired dad’s heart vetoed hiking to most of those lakes though we hit a few drive ins.
Anyway to answer your question I would say that the flies were a 12 or 14. The manner of presentation was a spinning rod, a bubble & the fly. The fly was "trolled"behind the bubble ever so slowly.
Our favorite trip was to drive to Trial Lake, hike from Trial to Wall Lake, fish one side of Wall, hike up to Twin Lakes fish both of them (Big Brookies), return to Wall and fish the other side and hike back to Trial.
I imagine this have changed so quite a bit since the 1950’s. But my memories won’t.
Tim
When the cutthroat are rising on Marshall Lake in N/E Washington, the Renegade is a go-to fly. Size 12 or 14.
Lotech;
I can’t find it. What does it look like ?
MSD53X: Look Here: http://copperfly.net/renegade.php
I just received a book titled “Flies for Bass & Panfish”. The renegade is listed as a good fly for panfish, fished either wet or dry.
Tim
We have two versions of the Renegade here in Fly of the Week. The bead-head version by Al and Gretchen Beatty who said it was one of their favorites! Try doing a SEARCH from the front/main page of FAOL, sometimes you will be surprised at what all is really here.
I tied some renegades in size 14. I substituted Ostrich herl for the normal hackle. Makes a good looking fly.
Tim
I’m with Panman, I spent my youth in the Uintah mountains of Utah and a Renegade trolled behind a clear, half-filled bubble was deadly, especially on those high mountain Brookies.
The Renegade actually originated over in the Sun Valley area with the first version tied by old Taylor “Beartrack” Williams, and was an instant hit.
My father and grandfather swore that a Renegade, a No-hackle Yellow and a mosquito were the only flies they ever needed in those long-past days.
I’ve had great success with a size #14 on one of our local spring creeks. The Browns were rising to a myriad hatch and nothing would crack the code with the exception of a Renegade and it saved the day.
Something about a Renegade is magical and the fish like it either wet or dry (I think the wet version on slow spring creek water may look like a snail).
Anyway, fond memories of fishing the Renegade and still use it often today.