Different Method for Tying in Elk or Deer Hair Wings

At least I’ve never seen it done before. Brilliant. It’s like a “defense is the best offense” theory. I don’t mean the separating of the wings, just the tying them in.
Thanks to tightlinevideo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82ai1wpWCao

Joe

Joe,
A little reminiscent of this old caddis pattern?

Wow, that was a surprise! I’ve seen dozens of tricks and tips for tying in deer hair wings but that’s new to me. A full spin-o-rama.

I’ve actually done that by accident a few times, but instead of continuing with the tie, I unwrapped the hair and started over. Not too smart.

I’m with you, Bruce. I’ve had the wings do that, too, and have started over. Never occurred to me to use it as an advantage.

Joe

There’s a couple of good ideas in that video: the spinning of the wing, and the wrapping the herl behind the thread. Thanks for pointing this video out.

Tightlinevideo puts out really good stuff.

Joe

That pattern will slaughter fish on the Yellowstone on the first or second warm day coming up…

I did try the thread, herl trick. It works perfectly.

I’m on the fence about the hair spin. It works, but I’m not sure it’s that much better.

When I did the spin, the hair separated a lot. Don’t know whether to let it separate, or try to bunch it back together.

In the video he did seem to manipulate the hair with his fingers a little, especially to stop it after it had gone around the shank.

Joe

Joe, thanks for the link. I like this idea of split wings using deerhair. It looks really cool - but - since I typically use 5X and sometimes 6X tippet I’m concerned about the fly doing the “propeller” thingy.
Still, it’d be fun to try.

Jeremy.

When I think about it, (always dangerous), you start tying in deer hair with two loose wraps. That puts slack “upstream” of the hair.

Spinning the whole hair bunch tightens this slack one circumference.

I’ve been trying this one all morning…TL makes it look so simple!! NOT! I played and re-re-played the demo and I’m amazed at how crummy/messy my ties turn out.

That herl hint is wonderful!

I just may have to let this one go…but they make it look soooo easy. :wink:

Try it without the spin. Just tie in like a regular Elk Hair Caddis, then pull the two sides apart, then x-wrap. Experiment with how you x-wrap. Some sequences may work better for you.

If x-wrapping is a bust, try it with no x-wrap. Just pull half the wing to each side. It does not have to be perfect. Just get most of the wing out to the sides. A bit on top won’t hurt and will make the fly more visible on the water. You’ll need glue to hold the hair this way.

Also, hair that flares a lot will help with this pattern.

Jeremy,
For what it might be worth. If the hook shank is bare or nearly bare, hair will have a natural tendency to spin or rotate around the shank. If you have thread or dubbing at the tie-in point, the hair will better maintain its position and flare rather than spinning. In the pattern shown in the video a bare or near-bare hook tie-in point will allow the flared hair to rotate more easily.

Thanks gents, I’ll give this another try given the suggestions.

What you don’t know is that I was born with “3 thumbs” - two on the left that usually get in the way!

Also my flies need to be small as in #16 max. otherwise they get refused big-time. Always fun…:cool:

I also wonder when you see these well produced videos that every turn of thread goes into exactly the right place, how many takes do they do? For my own fly tying ego, I hope it takes more than a few…

Joe

My fly tying ego died with digital photography. When my half inch fly gets magnified 10x on screen, all those flaws jump out at me. I can’t not see them.

I’m awed by the great tiers on this forum.

One week later, Tim is back to the standard way of attaching hair wings. He even uses the help of super glue to keep them from spinning around the shank, which I have had to do for years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAUdfwl-bU4

Joe

Thanks Joe. I’ve given this one up myself as messy flies catch the most fish and I don’t have trouble tying messy flies, even w/o this guy.

Jeremy.