Decided to try something different....

A post made by Shaneroyce early this month peaked my interest.

Seems he had the dubbing come off of a fly, leaving only THREAD behind, and he caught lots of fish. His ‘question’ was whether anyone tied flies without dubbing, obviously meaning using only thread, NOT some other form of ‘body’.

One of the responses (from someone that actually read his post and didn’t just point out alternative body materials) noted that it’s normally the hackle/tail that ‘floats’ a dry fly.

I wondered ‘why’ we now used something other than thread EVER to tie dry fly bodies. Thread comes in loads of colors, you can treat it so that it doesn’t absorb water, wrap it into any ‘shape’ you desire, and basically eliminate a whole ‘step’ in the tying process.

Built up thread obviously ‘weighs’ more than dubbing, but not that much more and it won’t hold ‘slime’ as well. Thread won’t have the ‘air pockets’ that dubbing does, but how important is that to fly performance with the advent of really ‘permanent’ waterproofing solutions?

I decided to try this.

I wanted a fly ‘style’ that was quick to tie, floated well, didn’t require ANY body material other than thread, and was versatile enough to imitate a wide variety of insects.

For the ‘thread’ I wanted something that was not ‘waxed’, so that I could waterproof it BEFORE I tied the fly with it (waxed thread by definition won’t absorb things well). I had rod wrapping thread made from nylon (bouyant) in s3veral sizes and bought some polyester thread (also bouyant) and ended up with a credible range of colors. Soaked the whole spools in waterproofer.

I’m not a ‘natural material’ only guy, so I decided that poly yarn made a good choice for the tail/wings of my fly. Comes in wide array of colors. Bouyant. Cheap. Easy to use. Deer hair, carabou, elk would also work if you really wanted a ‘natural’ material here, and I tried it on a several of the flies. No reason that hackle fibers for the tails and hackle tips wouldn’t work for the wings if you like them, but I don’t use those for any of the flies I tie now.

You can lay a length of poly yarn on the hook with the proper lenght tail hanging behind the bend and then use the portion hanging over the eye for the wing(s), either as a parachute post style, divided, or ‘caddis’ style wings. Had to use two bunches of the natural hair, still pretty simple to do.

The thread only bodies look great. With a couple of colors, one in the bobbin and one as a rib, you can get some really accurate looking bodies without all that unnatural ‘fuzziness’ that adult mayflies/caddisflies/stoneflies don’t realy have.

High quality dry fly hackle completes the tying maerials of the fly, and I then dunked the finished product in waterproofer one more time and allowed them to dry.

So far, the parachutes, the more traditional collar hackle styles, and the ‘caddis’ styles, all tied with basically the same ‘ingredients’, are still ‘floating’ after 10 days in the ‘tank’ (not a really ‘true’ to use test, but I do tap each one under every time I pass by, and they all pop right back up so far).

My theory is that the synthetic ‘wing/tail’ and the waterproofed hackle will shed water easily on a backcast, the treated thread won’t hold any water, and the whole fly should shed fish slime with just a swish or two in the water.

In any event, I’m impressed with the ease of the procedure, it’s versatility, and the ‘look’ of the flies. I’ve tied a version of many ‘traditional’ dry fly from Adams to Wulffes in both parachutes and collared hackle styles, and palmered hackled caddisflies similar to the Troth style.

I won’t get a chance to put them before fish until the summer, but I can’t see any obvious reason why they won’t be effective.

This is so easy and simple that I’m getting the feeling that I’ve missed something really obvious here.

I’d appreciate anyone that has already tried this and/or CAN see what I cannot commenting on the idea (probably not a new one, I’m sure).

Thanks.

Buddy

Last month I fished the snake river in Wyoming with a fly called a purple haze. it is essentially a parachute adams looking fly with a purple thread wrapped body, no dubbing. It floated like a cork and the fish really loved it. I think you are on the right track.

Also, I tye little trico polyspinners using nothing but thread. The wing and tail (poly yarn and micro fibbets respectively) keep in floating in the film.

Hi Buddy
Many of the Clyde and Tweed style dry flies use only thread for the bodies. If you wax the silk well before winding on, it becomes waterproof. They are simple, they only have the hackle, silk and hook
Here is an example the Badger & Orange.

Donald and Midge,

Thanks for your responses.

Have you ever tried replacing traditional dubbed or quill bodies on established patterns with just thread?

What I’m after is a sleeker system to get to flies that will effectively match or ‘replace’ (I hate that word)the flies we are already using.

Rather than having all these funny names for different dry flies (like ‘adams’, ‘gordons’, etc.,) maybe get to a point where we can just say ‘size 18 olive mayfly’ or ‘size 14 tan caddis’ and be able to produce a fly that fits using a couple of basic materials.

All anyone would require to tie flies for most hatches would be a few colors of hackle, a few spools of thread, and a few colors of poly yarn. Those that wish to could add more variety, of course.

AND, there would be tons of room for experimentation and ‘tweaking’ to fit individual preferences and conditions.

Wish the camera was available (wife’s flying to China tomorrow and she’s taking it). When she gets back I’ll post pictures of some of the flies.

In any event, I am looking forwrd to fishing these flies.

Thanks again,

Buddy

Interesting thought, Buddy. Sounds like it could be the basis for a “how to” book… :slight_smile:

But be careful, you may take all of the complexity out of it - and what would fly fishing be if it was simple? :wink:

Al Campbell would be proud of you. Remember his “Too Simple” fly series? :lol:

Buddy,
When I started Fly Tying I used thred as my dry fly bodies. All are a size 14 hook. Here is the URL for my flies.

http://ericsfly.photosite.com/Album3/

The ribbing is floss!

EPuffer

One of my more effective Baetis patterns has a twisted thread body and it floats great. Plus the twisting gives it a segmented effect and “should” repel water better than un-twisted thread.

Then there’s the Yong Special, which is nothing BUT a thread body. Killer midge.
Eric

while not a true thread body, threads are the majority. Here’s what I did last year (glass bead underbody)

… that top RH one pulled in a 26"+ brown.

Have done a few different versions using this stuff (called Eyelash) - some bass patterns, wet patterns, leeches … thread and thread type bodies can be - and are - just as effective as dubbed, palmered, or encased common body style flies.

Now - thanks ot Buddy - I have more methods to trial with this winter …