Critique my Caddis

The second fly is much better overall. I agree with the others, get a hair stacker (or a used rifle cartridge as was originally employed).
Regarding tying in the deer hair. One trick is to put one wrap of thread around the hair before it is lowered to the hook - at which point you tighten the thread as you approach the hook. It helps tighten the hair together and also keeps it from going around the hook.
On the EHC the whip finish should be under the hair tips, right on the hook. I can’t tell if you did that or not.
At any rate, you are improving already and both your flies shown to us will work. Patience and practice, plus learning about 200 tying tricks is all that needs to be accomplished. :sunglasses:

Actually, it is a straight-walled pistol case you need rather than a rifle case as most of them are bottle-necked and too long.

A 44magnum is perfect…

Well, I went to a fly tying session at one of the local shops tonight and I learned a lot there.

They have a free “fly tying jam session” every Thursday. They have one of their better fly tiers there tying and helping everyone out on whatever they might be tying.

It is nice, it is free, and the advice helped me out a bunch. I tied 4 more of the EHC flies and they are all much improved. I did buy a hair stacker while I was there and that helped out a bunch.

Thanks all for the information!

Vmabuck

If you think you want to try and make a hair stacker you could give this a shot.

Get a tube from a cigar in a hard plastic or metal tube cut the top off opposite the cap or plug should work like a champ. I used a spent shell from a 12 gage for a while till I could get to a fly shop to buy a better stacker.

Your fly looks good enough to catch some fish. That was the object…right?:wink:

Id say you have sufficient elk hair on it. AK Best states that when you look down from the top you should be able to see THRU the wing and see the body. Some tie theirs with a lot more than that though
DEFINATELY get a hair stacker! The contrast between the lighter portion of the hair and the darker tips is one of the things that gives that fly the "finished look.

(Pic thanks to Hans Weilenmann and his great website)

I tie those ( and it some of the few that I normally do tie) on #18’s and the panfish here flat devour them. I dont know what the fish think they are…but they sure do like them. Other than stacking the hair and getting it proper length, as compared to CUTTING it proper length, Go for it guy!!

My bet is that any of them will catch fish. I often think we are a lot more picky than the fish. The way I see it is if the fish are focused in on caddis, and your fly size is about the same as what they’re eating, your first fly, your second fly or a perfect fly tied by Mr. Best himself would all catch a fish assuming the presentation was good and you drifted it over the fish’s head when he was looking.

Tie a bunch up, and the next time the fish are feeding on caddis, toss one out and let the fish decide which is best. :slight_smile:

Jeff

Well, I did get the hair stacker at that fly tying session and it is getting better. I still need to make the dubbing body smaller and get the Elk hair stacked better on top of the hook.

I think after a few more I will at least have the basics down. With every fly I am getting a little more comfortable with the movements.

Here is one of the ones from the tying session. Need to get the Elk hair a little farther back as well…

IMHO…Id work on the elk hair length ( or position??) and leave the rest alone!

vmabuck -

Your fly looks very much like the traditional, if I may call it that, EHC, including the “head” comprised of the butts of the hair wing.

I don’t do many EHC any more because I found a pattern that I prefer for the waters I fish, however, when I did tie them, I was always uncomfortable with getting the wing tied in securely. Probably my lack of tying skills at the time, but I did have wings that fell apart on me after not much fishing or many fish.

I got in the habit of cutting the elk hair just a bit longer than the needed wing and tying it in just a bit further back than most do. After positioning and cranking down on the wing with a couple tight wraps so the butts would flare up in front of the wraps, I continued to tie through all the butts until they were completely covered with thread, and ended up with a small, smooth head. No way those wings would come apart. And the trouts certainly didn’t seem to mind the different look at the front of the fly.

John

As long as we are on the subj of EHC, and not to hijack…

When a hatch chart or whatever calls for an olive EHC or black EHC, etc. What are they talking about? I usually don’t tie a body under the hackle, and can’t believe that a fish could see the diff underneath all of that palmering holding the fly above the surface.

Are they talking about the wing color or the body??

MAO

Body color. Wing color will vary “naturally” with different hair. Some lighter and some a shade darker than others

As others have noted, use your hair stacker to even the tips of the hair for your wing and you should have that part down.

With respect to dubbing the body, I will draw from my experience with over 200 students over the last 10 years, the tendency is to put TOO much dubbing on the thread! This is an example of LESS IS MORE! I recommend that you put a bare hook in the vise and practice just dubbing until you begin to get the feel for it.

I MOST DEFINITELY would NOT use the head on the Hans Weilenmann EHC that Sully posted as an example of what the head should look like! Yours is MUCH BETTER! The trick to a neat head is to first bind the hair down tightly to the hook using the “pinch” technique, and then lift the butt ends up and take 5-6 tight wraps UNDER the hair, pulling the butts up and back. Whip finish UNDER the head, as previously noted. Pull the butts together and apply a little tension both up and away from the hook eye, at about a 45 degree angle to the hook shank. Place you scissors blades just off of and parallel to the hook eye and cut the excess butts off. You will now have a nice neat head that stands up away from the hook eye, making it easier to thread the tippet through it.

Keep posting photos of your progress. You are doing great!

I just posted a pic to show the length of wing hair…

Look at Kelly Galloup’s technique for attaching hair to get a better idea of what John Scott is talking about.

http://www.theweeklyfly.com/index.php/TheWeeklyFly/2009/07/06/kelly-galloup-ant-acid-15-19

I’ve found I have better control of my dubbing using a dubbing loop technique… Look that up and give it a try. You can somewhat control the “tightness” just by how much twist you apply.

I like both of your flies, even the long winged one will work. if you look at photos of caddis their wings extend way past their bodies, the same for their legs. It may not sit on the water or land as nice as a fly with shorter wings but I think it will catch plenty of fish. On your second fly, the wing has plenty of hair and that is about how much I tie on my EHC’s, I like just enough wing to help it land upright but not so much that it topples over on its side. Trimming the tips, although not usually recommended on an EHC, is an easy way to get a wedge shaped wing just like the Goddard caddis, which you trim to shape. Just my opinion, but I would see if they catch fish before I say they are tied wrong, one never knows what is going to trigger fish to strike

The method I use to tie down the wing is to make on full wrap around only the elk hair bunch first then wrap it down to the hook shank. This keeps the hairs bunched together and I think makes a little neater and more durable wing. A few more wraps over the whole bunch and finish like the previous post by lifting the “head” hairs and whipping under them. Then I trim the head hairs. I think that was a tip from one of the Beatys, who frequent this site. This is a technique I use for a lot of my hair wing flies both dry and wet.

FWIW, I have a a hair stacker (actually a couple), but I still use the hand stacking method you described fairly frequently. When I am working with small amounts of fairly fine hair for small flies, I find that hand stacking is faster and just as effective.

I MOST DEFINITELY would NOT use the head on the Hans Weilenmann EHC that Sully posted as an example of what the head should look like!

Eh… that is not my EHC. I have not posted any EHC I have tied on my page - I prefer the CDC&Elk - but then I am likely biassed :wink:

Cheers,
Hans W

I also note that on his second submitted sample that the stacked wing looks like it was trimmed with scissors. The tips look awfully blunt and too even.

A perky little fly, with aspirations of granduer. The hair length is almost too neat, sugggesting a latent trend to perfectionism. Hackles are being worn long this year, and this creation represents it well. I’m tempted to nibble on this one, myself. Aggressive, without being pushy…For me, this one definitley says “Go out and strut your stuff, girlfriend.”…:lol::lol::lol:

Seriousy, a great tie. And don’t worry about the Hare’s Ear. Oftentimes, the ugliest flies catch the most fish.