cons of sub 6' rods?

Jim, don’t be shy. There are probably several of us who are interested in reels like that.

Ed

Joe I have that exact reel on my Sage 1 wt. It is just over two ounces and two and a half inches in diameter. Of course, it weight more with the line on it. Yes, there are other reels too. Depends what you want to spend. For me it was a bit of vanity. I did not want a cheap reel on my SLT, but for some folks any of a number of other reels are perfectly fine. Have fun!

I wish you lived closer Joe, so you could try out my rig.

Hi EdD,

Point taken! The little Crystal River
Cahill in size CR0001 suits me well on my
small rods. I use them primarily on my
swamp rods for bluegills and red eared
sunfish. I figured on them as primarily
being a line holder and thought they looked
pretty good for $17.99. I was surprised,
pleasantly so, to find that they also had
a smooth drag set up that easily handled
the abuse from the odd largemouth bass up
to 7 pounds. Probably larger too but thats
the biggest I’ve caught on one.G
I get mine from [url=http://877icefish.safeshopper.com/98/cat98.htm?676:dcdd8]http://877icefish.safeshopper.com/98/cat98.htm?676[/url:dcdd8]
It’s a small outfit but I have always gotten
same day shipping at the best price I could
find. [url=http://www.flyfishingdeals.com/Images/products/Reels/RoyalCoa/Royalcoa.htm:dcdd8]http://www.flyfishingdeals.com/Images/products/Reels/RoyalCoa/Royalcoa.htm[/url:dcdd8]
This second outfit also has the reels, at a
bit more price, but also has a better
description and pictures to offer. Hope
this helps. Warm regards, Jim

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Jim,

Do you use the smallest of that reel? and if so how do you manage keeping the line from coiling like a phone cord on such small diameter reels…?

As I have the smallest of the Teton reels #3 Teton (not the Tioga line). And It’s a great reel…top of the line quality but without the 500 to 600 dollar price tags that other comapnies ask for a full feature reel…has a very small spool dia. and I don’t use it much because of the tendency of even my lightest lines to take a set in extremely short times… Any suggestions as to what I can do to solve this prob?..Thanks,Bill

Hey Bill,

Your comment peaked my curiosity so I
went out to the boat and pulled a couple of
my small rods with the little reels and
spooled off a goodly amount of line on each.
Half or better, which is as much as I ever
cast. No little coils to argue with!? My
line lays out nicely. I’m using the
Cortland Lazer line in peach. Both lines
were three weights, one WF and one DT. Not
a problem for me. I do have a bit of
backing on both reels. About 50 yards if I
recall. Not sure why I’m not experiencing
the same problem as you, but not going to
complain about it either.G Warm regards,
Jim

Jim,

It maybe the el’cheapo Hobbs Creek lines that I was useing at that time too…I’ve since replaced all those things with much better lines…maybe I’ll try stringing that reel up with my orvis 1wt line,or one of my GXP 5wt.s for the new Global Dober rod when it gets here…Noticed a favorite stream is still blessidly free of ice on my way to Christmas dinner today…maybe it’ll hold out till the rod gets here…
Thanks for taking the time to reply…!

Jim, Thanks for the links. I needed two more bookmarks…

Ed

Cons? They are good for only specific situations and not much else. I dont ever see myself wanting a rod under 7’. Even in those tiny streams its easier roll casting and dapping with a 7’6" rod than one of those little things. But everyone has their own idea of what makes a fun toy.

Since we are both fishing pretty much the same waters, do you mind if I ask where you plan on using such a little rod?

Hi Heero,

Just read your posting above. Wondering
if you’d care to elaborate on your statement
“Cons? They are good for only specific situations and not much else.” Warm regards,
Jim

Heero,
Honestly I’m not too sure where off the top of my head. I use my short ultralite spinning rod more often than my others, and kind of just wondered what a short fly rod would be like too. I know the dynamics of fly Vs.spinning rods, but just wanted to try it out. I think it spawned from the fishing show at Timonium Fairgrounds around four or so years ago. I had the opportunity to cast one of those tiny J Austin Forbes mini rods, and something was just fun about it to me. Most likely I’ll be using the short rod for some small P.A. creeks with a frind of mine who has lived there for a long time. It’s just something I think I’ll like, really no justification, but my decision in the end. Maybe we’ll run into each other this year and you can try it out if you have any interest. It’s a shame I’ll not have it at the FYAO this year.

Global Dober rod came a couple days ago!!! Very Nice!! Feels a bit light for a 5wt…But I’ll put one on it for it’s testing this weekend…Honestly feels more like a 2wt. I have an HT Executive 5’6" thats a 3-4wt.And it sure does not feel as meaty. But if I must drop a line wt or two I’ll do it…


“I’ve often wondered why it is that so many anglers spend so much money on,and pay so much attention to.the details on the wrong end of the fly line.If they took as much care in selecting or tying their flies as they did in the selection of the reel and rod,They might be able to gain the real extra edge that makes it possible to fool a fish that has,in fact,seen it all before” A.K.Best

Everyone wants to excel in this sport but at the same time we let traditionalists place restrictions on our tactics, methods, and ideas. I always assumed that fly fishing was a sport that allowed imagination, creation, adaptation, investigation, dedication, education, revelation? : Fox Statler, On Spinners (Not the dainty Dry Fly kind) “Spinner’d Minner Fly”

“Wish ya great fishing”

Bill

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Hey Bruce,

Its cool. I am sure itll be a blast to fish. There are local brookie streams you could have fun at fishing with a little rod, those little rods just arent for me. Perhaps when you get it I will show you were to catch some local brookies.

Heero

Hey Jim,

They are only good (IMO) for short cast (not necessarily small streams, but usually) on calm days. Though Im sure they can cast almost as far as a longer rod, once the fly hits the water you are at a disadvantage when it comes to line control. Their length most certainly gives them a disadvantage when attempting to mend, especially fishing pocket water and various types of cross currents. Nymphing would be an absolute pain in the a with such a small rod, I already dislike nymphing with the 7’6" rod I fish most and will bring a longer if I plan on nymphing all day. They have no real ability to high stick or use any of the various czech nymphing or bounce nymphing methods which I use most when nymphing.

With all that being said, they still ahve their purposes and are probably a joy to fish on little streams. I just find it more effective for me to use my 7’6" rod when doing any kind of small stream fishing. I dont want to discourage bwagner in any way but in his topic title he clearly asked for the cons of small rods. They arent for me, but to each his own. I am positive bwagner will enjoy it immensely when he recieves it.

Heero

Hi Heero,

Thanks for elaborating on your posting.
I think you make some good points. Line
control in particular seems to be one of the
major advantages of the longer rods in
moving waters. Thankfully, thats not a big
concern in my warmwater lakes fishery. I can
certainly see it being more problematic
for the stream fishermen, particularly when
mending line. Obviously one rod
will not do it all. But if you have a niche
type fishery for which the shorter rods are
suited as I do, I can assure you that they
are a hoot!G I’m not putting my 9 footers
on the auction block, but the 4 to 6 footers
I’ve added to my quivver are getting a lot
more use. I guess a shirt pocket box of
my favorite flies and a short rod epitimizes
my concept of minamalist flyfishing.G

BW, please let us know how the new rod trips
your trigger.G I’m sure you will find it
much fun in many situations. There is a bit
of a learning curve when you drop several
feet of rod, but it’s a short one and the
results are well worth it. Warm regards, Jim

I often fish with a W.W.Grigg 6’-3weight. ($29.95 @ Sportsman’s Warehouse) I just love fishing with that little fish stick. It does everything I ask it to except catch fish. I have been seen casting 60 feet with it. I was casting an S/A Ultra Buckskin WF3F, downhill, with a tailwind. Worked just fine.


Life, is the time He gave you to determine where you want to spend eternity.

Lotech Joe