Best way to transport canoes?

Hi, all.

I am the proud owner of a 14-foot aluminum bass boat (Montgomery Wards, ca. 1970) and a full-sized station wagon (Chevrolet Caprice Classic, 1996?350 c.i.d. engine, frame construction, RWD, last of the road-going dinosaurs) and would like to one day soon own one or more canoes.

The boat is light enough for car-topping…my dad used to carry it on canoe racks on his work van.

My wife uses the car as a more-or-less daily driver, and would prefer not to have a dedicated set of canoe racks bolted to her ride.

In light of these facts, I would like to find a way to tote the boat or canoe(s) with some sort of rack or block system that doesn?t stay on the car when it?s not in use. I have considered getting a receiver hitch mounted on the station wagon, then pulling the vessels on a modified light trailer of some sort.

The upside of the trailer is that it could double as boat storage when not in use. The downside is that it will cost to buy or build, and must be registered and tagged.

Have any of the good folks here faced this problem, and if so, how have you solved it?

Thanks,

FlyDrawer

“Some people fish with flies, some people tie them…some people draw them.”

I have four foam blocks that fit over the gunnels. The canoe rests on the blocks, the blocks on the roof. I use a tie down around the middle of the canoe and have a “V” on each end. It takes 5 seconds to slip on the foam blocks and they work great.

jed

I use something simple and cheap. It is something like this:
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I keep a Thule rack on my SUV. Just the plain load bars, not the canoe carrier or any other special accessories. I just slide the canoe onto the bars (upside down) from the rear of the vehicle and tie it down with ropes. I place a piece of carpeting on the rear of the vehicle so that it doesn’t get damaged, since I have to temporarily rest the canoe on this before I can pick up the back end and slide it. I’ve been using this system for probably 20 years. Works great for me.

Of course your success with this technique might depend on what you’re canoe gunwhales are made. If you’re canoe is aluminum it may mess up the roof rack too much when you slide it. My canoe is an Old Town Discovery. The gunwhales are plastic (vinyl?) and it works fine for me.

I second the foam blocks with a couple good rachet straps that connect the boat to the under frame of the car.


Who has time for stress when there are fish to catch.
Nick

How far do you intend to haul the canoe? Do you care if the canoe or car get scratched, dented, or damaged? If short trips and you don’t care about your load shifting, foam blocks will work. But a cross wind will send your canoe all over the place.

I’ve hauled canoes tens of thousands of miles on a Yakima roof rack without any problems.

Adams

I was excited to see this thread…finally something I know a lot about! And then I read the part about not wanting the rack on the car when the rack isn’t in use.

So I’ve got nothing to contribute. I think the best racks are Yakima and Thule and I think they look cool and I’ve never had them do any damage to my vehicles.

That said, I’ve got an even cooler set-up now. You can see it at the Canoes album at [url=http://dmaluso.photosite.com:59504]http://dmaluso.photosite.com[/url:59504]

Diane,

I noticed that in your posts of flies…Very kewl rig you have there !!

Gotta find a system for my Kia Rio…could always use the wife’s van…But me thinks she’ll get mighty testy of this after a weekend or two…was going to just toss a blanket over the roof and strap’er down…

But… a recent incident involving our 5 year old boy…and a stone has my car going for pretty much a complete paint job…so I think I’ll not be so hasty after this…I got pretty bent outta shape over the whole thing…Found out just how much I do care of my cars Finnish…


“I’ve often wondered why it is that so many anglers spend so much money on,and pay so much attention to.the details on the wrong end of the fly line.If they took as much care in selecting or tying their flies as they did in the selection of the reel and rod,They might be able to gain the real extra edge that makes it possible to fool a fish that has,in fact,seen it all before” A.K.Best

Everyone wants to excel in this sport but at the same time we let traditionalists place restrictions on our tactics, methods, and ideas. I always assumed that fly fishing was a sport that allowed imagination, creation, adaptation, investigation, dedication, education, revelation? : Fox Statler, On Spinners (Not the dainty Dry Fly kind) “Spinner’d Minner Fly”

“Wish ya great fishing”

Bill

Hi Diane,

I enjoyed your photo trip to Sep 2006.
I’m just curious how you accomplished it.
Was it just the pictures or did you have the
whole experience in advance?G What a
concept! Warm regards, Jim

Jim, … LoL !! I noticed that too and just figured that Diane is so ahead of her time, … that well, … she got through most of '06 before the rest of us

Back to topic, … Depending on the distances you want to haul around a canoe, … a “dedicated” set of bars, solidly attached to the car is really the safest way to go.

A canoe coming off a car at 60 mph is a dangerous thing.


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Yes, well, I had thought about attaching a set of steel thimbles to the bumpers fore and aft, and basically building a set of steel-tubing ladder racks that I could cotter-pin into the thimbles when I wanted to haul the canoe.

When I didn’t want the racks on the car, I could pull the pins and stuff the racks in the garage.

…when I get a garage…

It’s looking like a more permanent kind of rack system is in order; thanks for the input so far, folks.

FlyDrawer,

During my years of canoeing, I’ve used many carry methods on many vehicles. First was a Plymouth Duster using foam blocks with tie-down lines. Next I had a little Toyota 4DR hatchback that I outfitted with Quick & Easy racks that clamp onto the rain gutters(initially with galvanized pipe crossbars, then custom-cut carpet-topped 2X4 crossbars).

In 1991 I bought a Ford Explorer and went with a Yakima system. I’ve stayed with that rack system ever since. Now it’s on a Toyota Tacoma, and the rear bar is mounted on the back of a fiberglass shell.

Yakima and Thule roof mounts have custom clips that fit inside the concealed rain gutters on the aircraft-style doors you see nowadays. (Anymore, nobody makes vehicles with raised rain gutters, and that’s a shame in my opinion.)

When I got the Explorer, the very first thing I did buy the Yakima rack system and install it. That involved pulling down the headliner at the rear hatch and drilling holes through the roof so I could attach a “bolt top loader” – a plate on which the two rear rack mounts sit.

By stretching the distance between the two rack bars to the maximum extent (from the front door bar aft to the rear bar it measured 7 feet) my canoes were held by their ends, thus stabilized to the greatest degree and they did not yaw when the vehicle was underway. But thif benefit only happens if you put on each crossbar those attachable “gunwale brackets” that you adjust to fit your canoe’s gunwales bow and stern.

Once the canoes are on the racks snuggled in between those gunwale brackets, lateral motion is prevented. You secure the boats vertically using cam-lock nylon straps. I prefer NRS 12-ft. straps, but there are other straps equally good. I carry nylon rope tiedown lines as backup.

Since this car you own now is a station wagon, I suggest you hold onto it as long as possible and keep it in good mechanical condition if you can afford to. For a canoeist, no matter which racking system you employ a station wagon is a Godsend because the roof is low enough that a person of normal height can carry a canoe up beside it and set the boat down on top of it with very little difficulty. (Whereas almost all of today’s SUVs and pickup trucks have ridiculously tall rooflines that make racking a boat extremely difficult even for tall people.)

Once you and the Missus get to where you want a new ride, bite the bullet and get her something nice. At that point she gets to drive the new car, and the oldie goldie station wagon becomes your Fishmobile. You can then outfit it any way you choose and she has no further complaint, right?

Joe

“Better small than not at all.”

Joe…

I’m liking your thinking. In fact, I’ve already decided to maintain the battlewagon for as long as I can.

Excellent! Another wonderful feature station wagons offer to a fisherman is that you can drop those back seats and sleep inside the car fully stretched out. An old station wagon like yours, because it is a longer vehicle to start with, can be outfitted not only with racks up top but with various amenities and storage compartments in the rear compartment and become a Fishmobile Deluxe.

As a canoeist you are very lucky to own a station wagon in today’s Mt. Everest-tall roofline world.

Another piece of advice if you don’t mind: When you put a rack system on your wagon, do yourself and your friends a favor by using crossbars that are AT LEAST 66" long. The 72" crossbars might be best for you, though, especially if you and your friends own the wider tandem (2-seat) canoes.

My crossbars are 66’s, but that’s because my friends and I are primarily solo canoeists and solo boats are narrower than tandems. Still, it’s no problem for me to carry my solo plus someone else’s tandem side-by-side on my 66’s.

Especially if you are a stream fisherman and enjoy doing downriver trips with a partner, both of you absolutely MUST have racks wide enough to carry two canoes. That way you can run your own shuttle without having to pay an outfitter lots of money just to drive your car back down to the takeout point.

There is nothing more irritating than to meet up with someone for a river trip only to discover that yes, they do have roof racks but their rack setup allows only ONE CANOE (theirs) to be carried. That forces you to do a time-consuming double turnaround shuttle, and today’s gas prices make that a pain in the wallet.

Joe

“Better small than not at all.”

Has anyone tried the Cabela’s canoe aide. You’re supposed to hook it up to the trailer hitch and one man can swivel it around the top of the vehicle and tie it sown??..Thinking about getting one!


The best time to go fishing is when it’s raining and when it’s not

I have a Yakima roof rack on my car. I can remove the cross bars when I don’t need them, but the biggest plus is that the front cross bar has a telescoping piece inside of it. When I want to load my canoe, I pull this telescoping piece out, put the front end of the canoe on that (the canoe is now sitting with one end in the air, the other end on the ground). Then I walk to the back of the canoe, lift it up on the back cross bar (canoe is now at roof rack level), then walk back to the front and slide the front end of the canoe over the car to where it should sit for transport, push the telescoping piece back into the cross bar, tie the canoe down and I’m off! I love the fact that I can load and unload the canoe easily by myself.

Spek,

That telescoping front bar sounds really cool. It would certainly make it lots easier for short-to-normal height people to rack their boat on a tall roofline vehicle like today’s SUVs and pickups. Is this a new product by Yakima? I have two friends who would benefit from having such a crossbar.

Joe

“Better small than not at all.”

Joe -

This is not a new product by Yakima, I bought mine two years ago. I purchased it at a Paddlesports Expo and they had them on hand - it wasn’t a special order item. I tried to find it on their website (www.yakima.com) but couldn’t find it anywhere. There was, however, a “contact us” option. You may want to e-mail them and ask about it. You can also request a catalog on line. The whole package wasn’t cheap, but worth every penny to me since I can load and unload my canoe without any help and don’t have to limit my boat use to when I can get a buddy to go along.

I have a old set of Sears Robuck roof racks that I got at a tag sale
One of the best 5 bucks I ever spent.
On or off in minutes.
Very solid
I don’t think you can get something like that new anymore


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