Another New Zealand style of lure

Hi,
Awhile back I posted a thread on a style of New Zealand lures, the Pukeko flies. Generally, New Zealand lure are often tied quite large, in the size 4 range is common. Since I tend to fish smaller streams, I don’t usually fish such large flies. So, I tied the previous Pukeko’s down to a size 10, and they look just as deadly.

So, I decided to tie a few smaller versions of another style of lure that is very popular here. And again, these look quite good tied in the smaller size as well. This style of fly is called a “Hackle Fly” by Hughie McDowell (a New Zealand author of fly tying books). Others call them “Fuzzy Wuzzies”, because one’s tied with black tails and black hackes were called the Fuzzy Wuzzy series. The name is used by some to refer to any fly of this basic construction.

The flies are fairly simple. Tie in a tail of squirrel tail that is about hook shank length. Dub on half a body in a nice ball shape; for the larger sizes the body is cheneil, I’ve used wool for the size 10 one’s shown below. Tie in by the tip a hackle feather, wrap a few turns as if you were building the collar hackle of a wet fly. Tie the fibers back so they slope back at about 45 degrees. Now, dub the front half of the body (usually the same colour as the rear) and then build a 2nd collar hackle at the front, which is also tied in sloping back over the body. The hackle fibres should be longer in the front section then the rear. The heads on these are often large as well.

Perhaps the most popular of this style of lure is the “Red Setter”. The tail is grey squirrel tail hair, the body is bright orange, and the hackles are ginger or light brown. I didn’t have any orange wool, so I’ve used red wool (for a Red Red Setter I guess; There’s also a version with the rear half orange and the front half green, called an Irish Setter)

To avoid taking up too much band width, I’ll just post links to some other examples:

These two are a yellow Fuzzy Wuzzy (the tail here is black possum belly fur)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/ … y_sz10.jpg

and a purple Fuzzy Wuzzy:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/ … y_sz10.jpg

Again, it’s the black tails and hackles that make these true “Fuzzy Wuzzy” patterns.

This one is just a light olive hackle fly, or perhaps they should be called a “bi-hackled fly”?
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/ … e_sz10.jpg

And this is called a “brown bomer” I believe:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/ … r_sz10.jpg

These flies, tied larger, are very popular lake flies, although they are fished in rivers as well. Apparently, the Red Setter was tied as an immitation of the koura, the Maori name for the freshwater crayfish.

For those teaching fly tying, or for those learning, these are good flies to start with. The patterns include a number of techniques, but they are not too demanding. There are a few proportions to learn, some techniques like dubbing control, and getting the hackles to slope back correctly, but over all not too over the top for someone just learning to tie up some flies.

I’ve not tried these yet, so I have no idea how they will do when fished as a standard wee wet, but looking at them makes me think these should do as well as any. They seem to me to be somewhere between the idea of a standard collared wet fly and a palmered wet fly.

  • Jeff

I like these flies Jeff, The Red Setter was a popular fly on the big English reservoirs in the 60s and 70s.
It is not seen so much now, the still-water scene on the southern reservoirs is very trend conscious.
Everybody has to to have the latest miracle fly, which is usually a copy or slight variation of a fly that has
been around for years, with a new and catchy name. :lol:
I’ll have to tie up some of these.

Hi Donald,

I was reading in a book by Keith Draper that the Fuzzy Wuzzy was originally tied with the hackle palmered (this was back in the 20s or 30s I think). That would make the original dressing very close to a Wooly Bugger. The double hackle style of these helps, I think, to protect the hackels from getting bitten through as the stem is tied and burried under the body material.

Some nice patterns are made by using two feathers of different colours. A “Rotodyeran” is a gray tail, green body, and the hackles are a bright yellow feather with a grizzle feather in front (to deaden the colour of the bright yellow). This is one of Hughie MacDowell’s patterns, which was so called because the original version he tied sat in his hat, fishless, for a few years. Then, one day, a friend and he were fishing in Rotorua, and his friend borrowed it. The dye from the yellow feathers had run a bit giving the fly both its name and an interesting look. His friend got into the fish right away, and all Hughie could do was watch. I’ve tied a few of these and I like the look of them. I’ve not had luck with them yet though, but they’ve not sat in my hat long enough.

I suspect that these ones, which I’ve tied smaller than usual, will be good river flies as well. I know people do fish the larger ones in rivers sometimes, but these size 10s will be better suited to my 3 and 5 weights.

  • Jeff

Jeff,

Very nice flies. There will be some versiions in my fly box soon. Thanks, Mate.

REE

Hi Jeff,
I hope you don’t mind, I have copied the above text and pictures to a WordPad Document, and I intend to convert to a PDF file.
I have already done this with some of Mike Connor’s postings here and elsewhere. I am building up a little collection of flies + info for my
own use. I shall slightly edit the text etc., and will send you a copy if you want.
You’ll have probably figured out already that I am a fly fishing history obsessive :lol:

I find the variations fascinating and I can see a connection with H. C. Cutcliffe’s West Country flies.
I think they were also taken for crayfish.

Jon Nichols of New Zealand sent me a few patterns a while back which I put up on my Web site. Attached is a link to one of the four sets of flies I photoed, and at the top of the link are links to the other photos in the series. Some of it is redundant, but may be of interest to those reading this thread.

http://www.fishingwithflies.com/LuresFromNewZealandPartIV.htm

Hi REE,

Thanks. These are some more wet flies to add to the box! Fish them like a wooly bugger.

  • Jeff

Hi Donald,

Not a problem. I’ll double check on the info, and try and get names and dates for you. I see Peter’s site indicates the original palmered version of the Fuzzy Wuzzy was from the 40s, so not quite as far back as I had suggested! Also, I’ll dig up Hugh’s story on the Rotodyeran for you.

Hughie’s book on New Zealand Fly Tying has a number of stories about flies, which I really enjoy. Kieth Draper’s books have these as well, so I’ll try and pass that information on to you as well.

  • Jeff

Hi PeterF,

Those are good representations with the standard Chenille body. That’s a nice collection of NZ lures you’ve got there.

Also, the brown squirrel tail is more standard on the Red Setter. I think with Grey it is called an “Orange Dapple Dog”?

  • Jeff

Jeff,

Is there a book outlet you know of that carries books by Hughie and Kieth that do an international sales trade? Can’t find them here.

REE

Hi REE,

I’ve tried a few Google searches using the authors’ names (Keith Draper, and Hugh McDowell) and that finds a few links.

Here are two that showed up:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchR … 1318&nsa=1

http://www.marinedirect.com.au/catalogu … oduct92651

I’ve a copy of the first one, and I’ve borrowed a copy of the 2nd from the club’s library. Both are very good, though there’s more patterns in the 2nd (New Zealand Trout Flies: Traditional and Modern). If you are looking for a good coverage of patterns and their history, then Keith’s book would be the one to get. Donald, you would be interested in this one I think.

  • Jeff

Hi Donald,

Here?s some information I?ve found on a few of the flies posted. I?ve obtained this from Keith Draper?s book ?Trout Flies in New Zealand?, which was first published in 1971, and reprinted in 76 and 82 (at least) by A.H. & A.W. Reed LTD… The ISBN number is 0 589 01440 4.

In this, he indicates that the Fuzzy Wuzzy series was first developed by Fred Fletcher in the 1930s. Fred Fletcher built and ran the Waitahanui Lodge (pronounced ?Why-ta-han-oo-ee?), and he was the ?Mr. One hundred percent? in Draper?s book of the same name. Also, Draper indicates the original was tied with palmering of the hackles, like a wooly bugger.

The Red Setter is attributed to a Geoff Sanderson of Turangi, but no further information is given as to when it first made its appearance. In Draper?s book ?New Zealand Trout Flies Traditional & Modern? (published in 1997 by Reed Books), he adds the information that Sanderson ran a tackle shop on the Tongariro, which is the river running through the township of Turangi. He also adds the detail that the original was tied with wool, and that chenille was a later modification. Also, a black tailed version became (and still is) quite popular. This modification occurred because brown squirrel was apparently hard to come by for a few years.

Also, double checking on something, the dapple dog is an orange or lime green body, grey tailed, but grizzle feathers, so my tie above is not really either a Red Setter or a Dapple Dog but somewhere in between both. Will probably catch fish regardless of the name though (he says with an undue sense of confidence! Ha!)

Anyway, in Hugh McDowell?s (correct spelling) book ?NewZealand Fly Tying: The ten-thumbed beginner?s guide?, published in 1984 by Reed Books (ISBN 0 7900 0021 0), and reprinted in 85, 88 (twice), 91, 95, and 98 (and possibly again since then!), he lists his ?Rotodyeran Special?, tied as per a Fuzzy Wuzzy:
Body: fluorescent lime chenille
Tail : black squirrel tail
Hackles: dyed yellow and grizzle cock hackles

Here?s what Hugh has to say about this fly, and which will give you an idea of his presentation style.
Quote starting on page 65:

?This pattern is one you are probably unfamiliar with, and it?s highly unlikely you?ll ever find it listed among New Zealand?s top ten most popular flies, but it is tied in the New Zealand Hackle style, and I?ve listed it here as an illustration of what can happen when you experiment.

It originated at my fly-tying bench one day some years ago. Planning to dress a Red Setter, I?d already attached a nice black squirrel-hair tail to the hook when I discovered I?d run out of hot orange chenille. During a futile search through my reserve stores of materials, I came across some fluorescent lime chenille in a box of bits and pieces, and I decided to make a Dappled Dog instead, even if it did have a black tail. I had just completed the first body segment when some yellow feathers caught my eye and, on impulse, I tied one in as the first hackle. The colour combination looked too bright and somewhat garish, so I tied in a grizzle hackle on top to subdue it a bit and, finding the result quite pleasing, I repeated the process on the second section.

The completed fly was one of those all-too-rare specimens whose general shape and proportions are perfect. Granted the cosmetics were a little unusual, but on the whole I thought it looked rather good, quite dashing in fact, and I promised myself I?d try it out on my next fishing expedition. This I did, and on trip after trip after that, but when the end of the season came and the fly had still not accounted fro one fish or produced even a single strike, I stuck it in my cap and forgot about it.

Some years later I had a visit from Ed Volpe, and old fly-fishing friend from California. Ed wanted some trout for canning, so I took him to Lake Rotoaira which, being over-stocked and under-fished, is a place where you can confidently take a limit and keep them all with a clear conscience. But that day the trout weren?t interested in the little Hamill?s Killer which I?d assured him was the No. 1 fly there, and naturally after an hour?s futile casting, he started looking for something else to try. The hybrid in my cap took his fancy, and despite my comments, he unhooked it and tied it on his leader. Mind you, by now the fly looked very different from what it did when first it came out of the vice. Constant wettings and exposure to the elements had caused the dye from the yellow feathers to run, staining the grizzle hackles on top and creating a faded golden-grey effect which somehow seemed to pick up a greenish tinge from the glowing lime body underneath. Casting it out, he was into a trout right away, and for the next hour he continued to take fish after fish, keeping only the very best and releasing the others while I changed flies and fumed, frustrated and fishless.

After a while his wrists got sore from playing fish so he gave the fly back to me, and soon I was getting my share of the action while he sprawled beside me with a cold beer in his hand, a superior smile on his lips and an expression of utter contentment on his face. I don?t remember how many fish we caught that day, but we came away with two of the nicest matched limits of fat rainbows you could ever wish for.

The original is still in my possession but now resides in my fly-box instead of my cap. It has contributed to the success of many subsequent fishing trips to many different places, but none has been as memorable as that special day we once had on Rotoaira using the fly on which the ?dye ran? ? hence the corny name.? End of Quote

From the thread on Pukeko flies, Draper indicates that the first of the Pukeko flies was created by a Mr. Eric Craig of Auckland, and just says ?nearly 40 years ago?. This is from his book ?Trout Flies in New Zealand?, which was first published in 71, but I have an 82 reprint. Not sure if the ?nearly 40 years? is relative to the original publication date, or if it?s been updated to correspond with the re-printing. Since the 82 is not indicated as a 2nd edition, I would go with nearly 40 years prior to 71: so in the 30s. Interestingly, Mr. Craig was fishing the rip of the Waitahanui stream and tied the fly with feathers he found on the bank. He made a killing while most of the others came away fishless. When he went back to the lodge, the proprietor (Fred Fletcher the Red Setter fame), asked to see the fly and it was he who sent it in to the commercial tyers. It?s been one of the most popular night time flies ever since.

The Taihape Tickler was originated by Frank Lord of Rotorua. He decided that since claret was a popular night time colour (i.e. the Mallard & Claret) and Craig?s Nighttime was such a popular night time fly, he just decided to combine the two.

And finally, on the Scotch Poacher Draper says that this was designed by Jock Kirkpatrick of Rotorua. Bill Hammill used to call Kirkpatrick ?an old Scotch poacher? as a joke. Once the fly became a commercial proposition the name was a foregone conclusion. It was this dressing that Tom Wall of Waitahanui used one March night in 1968, when he landed a beautiful hen brown trout of 19.5 pounds.

Anyway, this is the kind of information that can be found in Draper?s and McDowell?s books. For someone like yourself, interested in the history of flies, I highly suggest Draper?s book as he does cover many more patterns and has information on most of them.

  • Jeff

Wow. What great research. I will print this thread out and add it to my growing file of pattern information. One of the simple things I have learned from the NZ flies is there is no need for a streamer hook for tying streamers (whoops, I mean “lures” grin). A regular hook works fine. I have to admit, I have compromised… using a 2xl for many of my “lure” flies.

Peter F

Hi,
I tied up a Rotodyeran Special last night and thought I would post it. I don’t have “fluro lime green chenille”, nor would I admit to having it if I did! ha! So, I’ve used a bright green synthetic dubbing that came in a variety pack dubbing box. Since this is a size 10, I find dubbed bodies look better. I don’t have any small chenille and the medium looks too bulky to me.

  • Jeff

Hi Peter F,

The North American solution to the tails of streamers and bucktails fowling in the bend was to make longer shanked hooks. This worked and allowed for the free feather wing style of streamer (where the feather is tied in at the head, but otherwise free to move in the current). In New Zealand, the solution was to bind the wing to the shank with the ribbing material, in what is now called the Matuku style. This allows one to use a standard size hook, although personally I prefer a 2x long hook for Matuku flies because I tend to tie them in size 10 and the longer shank just looks right to me. But then, I’m from Nova Scotia originally, so I’m used to the longer hooks for streamers.

  • Jeff

Great stuff Jeff,
I had finished the PDF of your previous info, now I’ll have to amend it.
There is another NZ fly I am interested in, but I’ll start a new string for it. TTFN

Bump

Jeff,

Thanks for the bump.