A Question of Ethics

It’s getting to be that time of year.

For me, my experience on one of Idaho’s Central Mountains rivers yesterday caused me to give some thought to an ethical question - under what circumstances should you NOT fish ?? Specifically, at what point do the flows and temperature of the water indicate that even the best hooking, fighting, and catch and release techniques will likely result in a high mortality rate for fish caught ??

Three years ago, it was not uncommon to have a 30 or 40 fish day on this little river, with lots of rainbows in the 13-15" range topping out, to my experience, at 17". On one occasion, I fished this little river one afternoon and evening and caught over 50 fish. The next morning, I fished some different water on the same river and caught another 50 plus fish.

Two years ago, we had a terrible long, hot, and dry summer here in SE Idaho. The small creeks and rivers that I like to fish were running very low, and warm. I gave up fishing completely from early July through mid September because I thought it was unethical to add stress to the stress the fishies were already experiencing 24 /7 because of the conditions of their environment.

Last year I only fished this river one time and thought I had an off day, catching very few fish. Yesterday, I caught about 18 trouts, and considered it a very slow day. It got me to thinking - did that long, hot, dry summer two years ago decimate this fishery ?? I think the answer is “yes”. The bull trout I caught yesterday were fewer and larger than the ones I caught three and more years ago. The rainbow trout were fewer and generally smaller than the ones I used to catch here. That tells me that the bull trout were occupying the larger holes higher up in the system and probably crowding out the smaller bulls and bows. And that the conditions further down the system just about wiped out the rainbow population, hitting the larger and older bows harder than the little ones.

Another fact suggests that the above is an accurate assessment of what happened on that little river. Idaho Fish and Game stocked this river with just over 500 triploid kamloops trout last summer. That is the first time this river has been stocked in 24 years. Looks to me like Fish and Game realized how serious the situation was, and tried to supplement the fishing there with the non-reproducing triploid kamloops, which should grow faster and larger, while the wild rainbow population comes back on its own.

That’s a long story to get back to the question of ethics, and really, the question goes primarily to wild trout fisheries, and particularly wild and native trout fisheries.

Consider this - hooking mortality for trout generally results from four major factors, alone or in combination. First is the condition of the fishery. High water temps over a sustained period of time so stress the fish that they have little chance of surviving being hooked. Second is the depth of hooking. Deeply hooked fish are much more likely to die than are lightly hooked fish. Third, the longer the fish is fought, or played, the more likely it is to die. Fourth, the way the fish is handled and released plays a big role in the likelihood of a fish surviving being landed and released.

So if the water temps get up there, fishing at all becomes an ethical question, because no matter how well you do at hooking, landing a fish quickly, and releasing it properly, there is a real prospect, likely in range of probability, that the fish will die. In a stocked “put and take” fishery maybe that is not such a big thing. In a wild trout or wild and native trout fishery it is a HUGE thing.

Montana, and maybe some other states with which I am not familiar, does a decent job of tending to its wild trout fisheries. It closes water to fishing when the water conditions get bad. But it might not go far enough, since it does allow fishing on some effected fisheries from early morning until noon on the basis that the water had cooled off enough to relieve the stress on the fishes. But the decision to fish when the water conditions have been poor for any length of time shouldn’t be left to the state - it should be an ethical decision made by each individual who goes out to the water with a rod in hand.

The future of our wild and wild and native fisheries is in our hands. Let’s do right by the trouts that don’t live in ugly places.

John

Hi John, not sure what the temp and flow level needs to be to give up fishing, but I do think in a small rain-fed stream I would probably start worrying at around 21c and in a big well oxygenated river I would probably go a bit higher, maybe even as high as 25c. However I think in a slow flowing stream the water temp is probably a couple of degrees cooler in the deeper spots and here in NZ even some of the smaller streams have cooler water coming in through under water springs that remain at a constant cool temp all year.
So I guess the upshot for me is to try to fish the larger water when it is hot, or only fish in the cool of the evening.
All the best.
Mike.

I draw the line at 70 degree water temperature. In my own personal opinion that is the danger line. I may be wrong, but I think anything over that and I’m flirting with stressing a trout close to its physical limit.
Bruce

I think this issue is mainly pertaining to catch-&-release fisheries. When you are required by law to release all fish caught, the question of catch/kill rate rises up. In an area where it is legal to keep fish, you at least have the option of creeling a fish that appears to be too stressed to recover. The ethical question then switches to, is it more ethical to keep and eat the fish? Or release it to certain waste?

What about were there are size limits, and you never know whether you’ll catch a fish too big or too small or not in the slot for that water ?? Aren’t you playing Russian Roulette with the fishies you hook that you can’t keep even if some fish in that system can be kept ??

As far as the comment about “certain waste,” you are not factoring in that nature takes care of the dead fishies, and none of it goes to waste, unless you put it in a place where nature can not do its thing.

John

P.S. Your initial comment - “this issue is mainly pertaining to catch-&-release fisheries” - is generally applicable, just not always.

For me it has nothing to do with ethics, and everything to do with the pressure I see.
People going on vacation and they just “Gotta” catch fish!
Then they kill them by the way they handle them before releasing them.
My solution?
I don’t fish.
Why go out and watch the maddening crowds destroy the places I loved as a kid? I’ll go when they are gone back to their meager jobs and their kids are back in school.
Then catch and release a few nice trout in the solace I enjoyed as a kid.
If you love it, don’t destroy it. Respect it.
I’ve loved a certain area since I was 2 in 1952. Around 8 months out of the year it is under 40 feet of snow. And no, I ain’t tellin where. :wink:
We are responsible for the waters we love. And we need to know when to let them rest. Simple as that.:wink:

I happen to teach an environmental ethics class annually and your dilema is one of sustainability. Can you fish the depleated stream and sustain the trout population that allows you to fish in better conditions. This is an “anthropomorphic” issue (meaning centered around humans) because the pleasure you get from good fishing conditions is valueable to you and dictates your actions. If you were dealing strictly with an “ecocentric” position you would never fish in depleated conditions, and maybe not fish at all.
So…all that being said…your decision to fish or not may have some connection to ethics, but in truth is a pragmatic decision based on what is best for a “sustained” fishery. If you think stressing the trout will hurt the fishery, don’t fish. Period.

Don’t usually fish places when the water temp hits 68-70. Carry the trusty thermometer on my lanyard and periodically check the temp whenever I fish all year long just to see how it’s going. Confine summertime fishing to anything under 68 or fish tailwaters below two dams where the releases are very cold all the time or a few mountain streams. Was given to believe that bows are good till temps top 68 and browns can stand it a few degrees warmer; but, I don’t push the limits. Very selective when fishing any brookie streams and always release them. Just my preferences…

just need a good mountain stream that never gets that warm…

John,

Distract yourself with spring creeks and alpine lakes if at all possible. We have a similar problem here in VA with regard to summer droughts and high water temps; my absolute favorite fishing is way up in the Shenandoah NP native brookie streams, most of which become too warm to safely catch and release fish without problem. There are some deep holes way up the slope that stay well below 65 degrees and those are nice for the occasional feeding of the urge. But I have found myself more and more attracted to the limestone spring creeks that are about 30 minutes farther of a drive, and stay cool enough to catch and release fish with minimal reviving.

Of course you might become hopelessly addicted, but I can think of worse problems to have.

Marty

The elevation at the upper reaches of the Little Lost River is about 7700’. The elevation at the lower reaches of the creek is about 6600’. I think that qualifies as a “good mountain stream” and suggests that such streams can get warm to the point of decimating a trout population.

Marty -

Another indicator of how that long, hot, dry summer effected this creek is that there used to be a pretty healthy brookie population. My recollection is that last year I didn’t catch any brookies, and for sure this past Thursday I did not catch any. Seems to me that they would probably be the first trouts affected by the conditions, since my impression is that they do best in very cold clear water, but I could be wrong about that ?? I doubt that they could outcompete the native bull trout for available resources, and would more likely become a resource to the bull trout.

Bob -

Whether you want to call it an “ethics” issue or not kind of misses the point, although I do believe a general definition of ethics includes something like a “code of conduct for a group.” If you want to approach the question of ethics from an academic point of view, I guess we would have to go back to Aristotle and Plato and a bunch of other philosophers over the past couple thousand years, which really would distract us from the point of this thread - which was simply to encourage people to be informed about how their conduct effects the fishery and to consider the consequences of their conduct in certain situations.

It seems to me that the members of this bulletin board, aka the fraternity of fly fishers, generally agree that respecting the environment and its inhabitants and ensuring the health of our fisheries over the long term are good things and that we should conduct ourselves on the water in a way that serves those goals. So the question of fishing when the fishies are already unusually stressed by their environment goes to the conduct ( an element of a code of conduct ) of this group.

John

Just plain good common sense. But how many people anymore seem to have that.
I am sure that we that do have the common sense and respecting our waters to practice such ethics (something I learned when I was a youngster) are the minority (I hate to say it) . I hope as a minority, we can pass these common sense ethics along to the younger generation, otherwise the future of our fisheries will be nothing short of tragic !!!

Common sense is the key. Fortunately, I’m not picky and have a lot of choices. There’s some bigger rivers around here, some ponds, and a number of good lakes. I can just go to another fly box and take a shot at bluegills, or bass, and enjoy the fishing. I’m sure there are people who either take a long trip to get there, or some who think fly fishing is a “trout only” activity, but you sure don’t want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. As it is, Pennsylvania has a lot of fishing areas where there would be no trout at all if they weren’t stocked. I sure don’t want to mess up those areas where they’ve actually made a home for themselves (again).

John, I agree that we always have those issues to deal with. But now you are breaking it down to even a lower denominator. Yes, you “may” catch a fish that “could” get overstressed, but is too small to keep. But do we ever have a zero percent mortallity rate? Even in cold temps? I think alot of us fool ourselves into thinking that we do. It makes us feel better about C&R.

I agree wholeheartedly that nature takes it’s course and nothing really goes to waste. That’s actually why I am not overly concerned either way. I agree with most here though, and I tend ot fish waters that aren’t borderline temps through the hot months.

Ralph

http://www.70degreepledge.org/

Jose -

That link provides a very informative discussion of the effects of water temps on trouts.

Thanks for posting it.

John

Where does it end?

That is a very good question, and the answer is simple: “It doesn’t”

When I first started in this sport of fishing in general, I did not have a clue about anything…let alone catching a fish. Overtime I learned by amassing knowledge thru various medias, experts, friends, strangers, clubs…etc…Not only did I learn about my quarry, but I also learned about its environment —where it lived, what it ate, how it fed…etc…etc…eventually the information grew tangents…environments, mortality, scientific research, conservation…etc…

The irony is this, as I got better at catching fish, so did my understanding of the fishes world.

It is unavoidable.

Perhaps an angler should weigh the effects of warm water on the trout and then decide either to quit or limit trout fishing when the water warms. Then the angler can chase the warm water fish without too much worry. Smallmouth Bass are an excellent substitute during the summer.

Tim

Personally I think the fish will dictate when it’s time to fish. If they are stressed they simply won’t be caught in any significant numbers.