A hypothetical situation...

Let’s say you showed up in a Mountainous Western state you had never been to before and intended to fish a river you have no Intel on.

You have any basic fly pattern, dry or wet, available to you. It is 2 PM, The air is cold (40 Degrees) and still, the sky is clear, and there is significant sections of ice accumulating on the sides of the river in shaded places but areas exposed to the sun have little to no ice. The river ranges from about 15ft across to 30ft across.

The river is a fast flowing freestone stream and has a good mixture of pockets, pools, and riffles. The stream bottom is a mixture of gravel and medium sized rocks.

And let’s just say for hypothetical situational purposes you don’t have the ability to try and identify what bugs might be present in the river at the time.

What do you rig up?

A “hair” caddis. If I didnt get a strike or even a rise after awhile…Id switch to some sort of nymph with an indicator and set deep enough that it DIDNT crawl along the bottom and hang up all the time.

I think I’d try the nymph straight off.

What pattern/size?

I do just what you’re talking about regularly when I find new waters in the Rockies.
I would start with 14s or 16s in a Prince or Zugbug or Hairs Ear or WD40 or RS2.
Below that I would have a midge nymph pattern in an 18 or 20.

I wouldn’t try a dry unless I saw rises then something in a 12 or 14 caddis pattern or a Griffith’s

Sounds like stonefly water to me = gravel and rocky bottom with fast flowing water. I’d fish a winter stone fly.

http://bugguide.net/node/view/39480

http://hipwader.com/2004/early-black-stonefly-nymph

Large bouyant attractor dry that I can see easily. Something like a stimulator or chernoble ant.

Hanging off the back a standard beadhead nymph, GRHE, Prince, Ptail, doesn’t matter much.

Right now you are trying to find and figure out the fish. This will do that and you can refine as you go.

Buddy

I’d probably start with a tandem rig … something like a large PT (or black stonefly) tied on a #10 scud hook with a 3.5mm tung bead and lead wraps, then, tied off the back of the PT a small soft hackle, 18 or 20. My thinking is, with ice in the water, the fish will be deep ( at least that’s how it is where I live) and you have to get down to them. This particular set-up should catch fish on both flies.

Small bugger with a glo bug or san juan worm dropper, nymph em deep. Find the deeper, slower water (ice in the shadows means cold water), and if you find fish, stick with them. Watch for a midge or BWO hatch.

PS. 40 degree air isn’t cold. :stuck_out_tongue: That is T-shirt weather after the last month or so here.

It would be a size 12 -14 and I would try my Tumblesome Special first. It imitates caddis larvae, grubs and probably a couple of other underwater morsels. I would definitely stay on the wet side of things until the fish are rising.

Really small nymphs – maybe tie in 2 different type of micromayfly types like a WD40 in size 18 or 20 under a strike indicator – with enough weight to get it down. Then really discect the stream with each drift

Well, let’s see. First off, with that much ice on the creek, it must be mid winter. So check the regs to see if the water is open.

With air and water temps like that, the fish are not going to be very active. You can probably forget the riffles, and the pockets also will not likely hold fish in those conditions. Concentrate on the pools, and plan on getting deep and moving the fly slowly.

The odds of a fish coming up on an icy Intermountain West or other Mountainous Western stream for a dry are in the 1000:1 range. Forget the dry flies. The odds of a fish moving even for a well presented wet are better than for the dry, but still pretty tough.

Since it is a fast moving freestone, there probably are few if any midges in the system ( they are a slow / soft water creature ). It never hurts to trail a small midge dropper in a situation like this, but I wouldn’t count on it being very productive. Probably better to trail a soft hackle p.t. or hair’s ear or copper john.

Stoneflies should be plentiful, with a good variety from small black stones, to skwalas in some systems, to golden stones to salmonflies. A fairly large, dark, weighted stonefly fished under an indicator would be my first choice, with a lighter color stonefly my second choice, trailing a p.t., grhe, or c.j. Cast it far enough above the drop into a pool that it has a chance to get down.

If not stoneflies, just some heavily weighted ( tungsten comes to mind ) nymphs in the size 12 to size 18 range would be my next choice, fished as described above.

These are tough conditions to fish. One day might be great, same rig on another day may not produce anything. But from the place you are describing, it would be a great place to spend some time with or without a fly rod in hand, and whether you get skunked or feel some tugs on your line.

John

If the sun is shining there might be a hatch of some kind coming off. First fly I would try is probably a size 16 or 18 X-Caddis fished through the riffles and into pools along foam lines.
That’s just me though.

I would probably start off with a size 12 all black beadhead leach pattern.

Jim Smith

This may sound crazy but i’d start with a #4 montana. If anything is happening, you’ll find out right away. I’d fish it upstream and in all the kinds of water mentioned. If nothing, i’d go to a #6 montana then a #8. After that if nothing is happening you might as well find something else to do…UNLESS…as mentioned by a couple of ppl i’ve flyfished with, watch for those little flies to hatch then get happy !

Cheers,

MontanaMoose

OOOKKKK? Whats a #4 Montana look like??

I thought it would have something to do with sheep, BUT it is described here along with a step by step. Simple fly that should work well here in Trout Heaven. I do think those are a bit big, though. I’d start with a #10.

Are there any steelhead in this river? If not I wouldn’t fish it. I don’t know how to fish for trout.

No Steelhead.

Just Rainbows, Browns and Cutbows…

Dont feel badly. I dont fish underwater lures ( 99% of the time) and NEVER fish frozen streams…:lol: