2008 smallie tactics

This coming year of chasing smallies I think I’m going to go oldschool and use some nymph/wets rigs. That thread on Czech nymphing for bass got the wheels turning and I really enjoy nymph fishing to begin with and aint’ that’s what it’s all about.

At the end of last season we had some spectacular success with some handtied jigs (spin gear), simple rabbit strip craw imitations that flat killed in our local streams. I think it’s time to tie up some for the longrod and some nice “hackle-y” wet flies to swim along with them.

Now if the winter storms would kindly move on out & spring would hurry along it’s merry way I could give it a go.

Everyone wants Spring to get here, but to have a productive fishing season, it’s also important to get as much winter moisture as possible to make up for the drought conditions many areas experienced in 2007. We can always siphon off any excess moisture in the reservoirs, but we can’t add to the pool when it’s way low.

Be patient and let Mom Nature do her thing with rain and snow, and we’ll be better off when the season really begins. Get busy on the tying bench or furl a couple hundred leaders to give away. Seems to work for Jack! :p:p

Joe

That’s especially true for those in the southeast. I drove down to FLA last fall and it was terrible how dry it was. KY was in a drought condition but we’ve caught up and then some.

That said, my last line there was thrown in as an aside. I wasn’t shaking my fist at the heavens and berating the clouds or anything that heavy.

I will meet you halfway however: I’ll tie and bunch of flies and BUY a furled leader or two. There’s no way in the wide, wide world of sports that I’m making one. :slight_smile:

So anyone else have any thoughts of chasing smallies this coming season?

Beuller? Beuller? Beuller?

Haven’t given it a whole lot of thought. I’ve got a couple new patterns that I want to try including a couple tied on a jig hooks. When I get a chance I’ll take some pictures. I picked up a couple hare jigs at a local outdoor show that I plan to use as models for some fly rod jigs.

It’s on my mind constantly! I enjoy trout fishing but give me a fiesty river smallie anyday!

I’m gonna do more stripping streamers early on this year. Last fall I had a couple banner days stripping some streamers over good structure in the rivers. Of course once the water warms good and the fish move into shallow areas to chase baitfish, I’ve got some new popper/slider patterns to try out for topwater action.

My catarafts are ready, the fly boxes are loaded up and I’m ready!

Was going through my smallie box the other evening. I will be tying up a few more # 8 Foxee Red Clousers before the season starts.

mandoyak,

Smallies are my main reason for fishing. Around here they inhabit the same waters as the famed steelhead. I personally would rather fish when the outside temps are a little more comfortable. I do chase after steelhead a little but I really enjoy spring through fall on the the local waters for smallmouth. The areas I fish aren’t loaded, but every so often I am rewarded with a nice river smallmouth. I mostly fish streamers and buggers for them. This year I am going to try to add some crayfish patterns as well (said that last year too…)

Mike

This fly, tyed in olive #8-#6 was my best stream smallie fly last year
http://www.warmwaterflytyer.com/corner.asp?page=9
Steve

I myself am looking very forward to spring in the great hunt for some Smallmouth. Plan on using sliders/poppers and bendbacks/clousers.

biot midge,
The recipe calls for a 10-12 hook? For a Bass?
Seems a little small for a Smallmouth!
Doug

Doug,
I agree. That’s why I tie them in #8-#6 for smallies, bigger for LMB.
Steve

This is my go to bass fly . It sinks like a rock and you will need an 8wt to chuck it . It has about 30 wraps of lead under the estaz .

Below is how I like to fish it . (C&Ped from another site . )

It took me a long time to give up the spinning and casting gear, and when I did my daily numbers took a big drop. I was fishing the same water that had always been fruitful in the past. I was using the same colors that were my lucky / confidence colors , but the strikes were few and far between . When I made the conversion to fly gear I did it " all in " style. Not because I am an elitist or a fly snob , but for the sake of learning and because fly fishing was somewhat of an enigma to me. I had always owned a fly rod but was far from proficient with it. It saw the water once or twice a year , and It was more an an exercise in futility than anything but fishing .

Getting back on the point, I thought about exactly what has changed other than the method of casting . I was using bass flies that I bought from various places and a 6 wt with a bass tapper line. Still I was getting skunked more than not. That is until the day I caved. I was fishing with my normal fishing buddy(normal is not a good description of this guy but I’m trying to remain positive) . He was busting my nuts about catching one to his three or four and could not believe that I haven’t given up on the whole fly fishing thing yet. I can remember that exact moment in time, I said, " screw it ! " (I’m keeping it clean as well). he offered up the spinning rod as if he was the serpent in the garden . I accepted his offering , eagerly , almost lustfully I cast that quarter ounce lead headed , twister tail jig about a half mile. It was like being reunited with a lost love , and I was grinning ear to ear . Although . I felt as if I was cheating , and I had no one to answer to but myself.
That day was the best thing that ever happened to me as far as fly fishing goes. Turns out I saw the error of my lack luster fly fishing ways .

While I had my tryst with the spinning rod I noticed / remembered that with all the flies I had in my vest none of them were fit to use in the lower third of the water column(8-12 feet for this body of water) unless they were drifted and allowed to sink. Even then if you snap the rod in order to impart any kind of action they would rise faster than they would sink. This made for a slow or shallow presentation. Good sometimes , but Id rather fish deep and impart what ever speed the conditions deem necessary. Along with the lack of depth was the lack of vibration .

To remedy this problem I went to the local fly shop and asked some questions and looked at some of the tied flies. I could not find what I wanted until I started looking on line for big bass flies. I bought a few “meat whistles” and some other cone head things with a twister tail on them but none of them were as heavy or as big as I wanted so I went out and got a vise.
I have tied before , but it wasn’t pretty. I got a Cuda trekker and a basic tool kit and some fur and lead and about every other thing I could think of . All of this under the guise that I would save money on flies . Long story short I came up with a fly that looks like a tube/git-zit and sinks like a rock. Its basically a cone head estaz bugger with about 30 wraps of lead on the hook. Its heavy , has good movement and I can thump and bump with it.

The thumping comes from the need to create vibration in the fly. I want to treat the line like a guitar string and transfer the vibration down to the fly. In order to do this I need a heavy fly that serves as an anchor point. Or better stated something to jerk against. I achieve the thump by snapping the slack out of the line . Not pulling or dragging the line but a quick wrist snap that when the line is tight I stop the snap. The resulting feel is that of a loose guitar string a low pitched vibration that reverberates through the rod into your hand and gives you instant confidence . I am convinced that fish feel this technique.

The bumping is a more primitive and widely used technique .
most every body knows that bumping a crank bait along the bottom or smacking one against a stump will draw a strike. Bumping a fly is the same except the fly fisherman needs to be more conscientious about the structure than the average gear slinger. We need to understand the size of the rocks on the bottom . The consistency of the slime and the complexity of the fallen timber . Only once we completely understand the structure , can we try to capitalize on its fish holding capacity .

I fish mainly for smallies . This fact makes me a bit of a rip-rap rocky bottom nut. A " have rocks will fish " kind of guy. I’m not one for floating vegetation or flooded timber . So I’ll speak of what I have found to be true and leave the speculation and experimentation to you on your own fishing grounds.

When I bump the rocks I need to know the size of rocks. Big rocks allow for a long slide over the rock while a bunch of little rocks will force me to hop the fly. I like them both and a combination of the two is also welcome. The trick is to know the way they feel in the rod hand. Once you can tell the difference between the big rocks and the little stones you have it made.
Just think like a bait fish or crayfish.

The quarry of bass do several things to avoid being eaten. They camouflage themselves , they remain calm and no matter what , they try not to draw attention to themselves. A good pattern should do none of these things. I want my fly to stand out , quiver with the lightest of current and poof clouds of debris into the water. All to attract the attention of any fish passing by. Not only the bass but the little minnows and bugs. The point being if the little fish are looking the big fish will come to see whats going on. Then comes the strike !

While I know its nothing new to the bass fishing world , I figured Id put my thoughts out there for any one lookin for a new way to fly fish for bass .

http://www.Highcountryflies.com Then click Fly tying then fly tying recipes, this fly also caught me some hefty trout ,walleye,and steelhead

                                                      Jcn
                                               
                                               http://www.freewebs.com/nimblesfurfinfeather

I did alot of streamer, and slider fishing last year, but not much bottom bouncing crawdad style fishing. I am tying up Hipp’s Hellcraws, Holschlag Hackle Flies, Day5 Spider Grubs, and Will Mullis’ Crayfish Muddlers to try and do more of that this year. It has been a good winter for the fish here. Lots of snow, and not much real cold weather. I haven’t seen any anchor ice on any of the local rivers. In fact, my favorite stretch of the Racquette, has yet to fully freeze over, and my little local stream has been open in the rapids and riffles all winter. None the less, I am chomping at the bit. I have a couple custom 6 weights for the wife and I being built, and we can’t wait to fish them.

Nice stuff. Thanks for all the responses.

mohawkriverdan: Now there is a bass fly if there ever was one. Have you posted that recipe & pic over at Flytyingforum.com? I’m sure they’d like to have it in their warmwater library. Great story too and it reminds me of me and my love/hate relationship with spin fishing.

I also have a Teeny sink tip line that I’ve had for a couple of years but with minimal use and I’m moving it up the priority list. I really like how it can really cover the bottom without being overly heavy. Other than using the nymph/wet fly rig I’ll be using the Teeny line with craws & big buggers to dredge the depths with short leaders.

I’m still not so sure about the ‘bigger is better’ school for all around bass fishing.

I’m not into really small flies, but I do like the ‘medium’ sized bass flies more than the bigger ones for most of my fishing. I tie most of my deer hair stuff on sizes 6 to 2, streamers are around three to five inches in length. Craws and bottom stuff are bigger, usually, but still only size 2 or maybe 1/0. I have some bigger flies for special applications and situations, but I try to keep them easily castable with a 6 weight.

That being said, I keep catching bass on a little fly I tied primarily for trout and bluegills. Not a just a ‘few’ bass. Hundreds of the things.

All it is is a little nymph, sizes 16 to 10. Black pheasant tail fibers for the tail, peacock hurl body. That’s it.

I always fish this fly as the back fly in a tandem rig when I’m ‘prospecting’. I’ll usually have a minnow typr fly (DHM, Clouser,), or a big semi seal leech ahead of it while I’m working deep with a sinking line for largemouths or smallies. My rationale was that if I could find some bluegills while I was at it, that wouldn’t be all bad.

I started catching bass on the little nymphs. Like five to one over the leading fly. Not all small fish, either.

Don’t really get it, but I kind of like it. Easy tie, cheap materials, inexpensive little hook. If I lose a bunch to rocks/brush/trees, it’s no big deal. I can fish these with a three weight, makes the bass a lot more fun.

Don’t know if this will continue, mostly it’s been just the last fall/winter/early spring (yes, it is early spring down here now),when I’m doing sinking line/deep kind of stuff. But it’s kind of fun.

Buddy

I’ve found that to be true also. I had great luck a couple of seasons ago with some small clousers, say a 6 or 8 (I’ve tied a lot of flies but don’t really get into classifications on sizes all too well) in craw colors, they couldn’t be 1.5" at the most and I caught several nice smallies on them. Many, many, many other rock bass too…sometimes you can’t NOT catch those dang things (but it helps with the fish count :slight_smile: )

Also, on a family farm pond that is flat loaded with monster gills I was fishing for them with a very small nymph and the LM’s were pounding this little (size 10, maybe 12??) bug. So it doesn’t have to be big to nab bass…but sometimes throwing groceries can be fun, least that’s what Lefty says.

Mohawkdan,

How about a receipe for that bad boy you tied up there?

Kevin

Hook- mustad 37187 stinger sz2
Estaz
lead wire
crosscut rabbit fur
sili leggs
large cone head
flash

Its really just a cone head estaz bugger.