Whiting and Metz do have true Cree which is a cross of a Coachman Brown with a Grizzly. The yield of Cree is about 10%. I have both Whiting and Metz Cree.

They are almost impossible to get unless you know a shop owner. Whiting used to keep a waiting list for retail customers that wanted Cree but no longer do.

This is Metz Cree from about 15 years ago;



This is a Whiting Cree from 5 years ago. It may look as if it is not cree but it actually is better than the Metz. The brown barring is much deeper in color and the white is whiter.