Like fcch said, I lift my rod up and make a circular motion with the tip of my rod to try to make a rolling motion just above the water with the line in the direction I need it to go. This is kind of like a roll cast in a way. You do have to put some muscle in to it. A good example would be when you are dragging a water hose across the yard and it gets caught around something like a bush or rock. Instead of walking over to get it around the object, being lazy, I always try to "twirl" the hose off the ground to make a loop that will go over it. Does this make since?=) Scott

[This message has been edited by salovin (edited 11 June 2005).]