Flymaker2 you are one of the spectators that I meet now and then while tying at a show-----I have to agree with RonM. There are those that want to learn and those that think they are better tyers than the one they are watching. Ask a question and I'll stop what I'm tying and help. I've tied with Poul Jorgensen sitting next to me and he did the same thing. Sat with Clouser Teeny and Helms. W'ere there to demonstrate anything you would like to see and "teach."