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I am looking to but a new 5 wt rod. I currently have Sage SLT 590-4 which is a medium-fast taper. I want to get another 4 pc, 5 wt rod, but with a fast taper. Since I mainly fish for trout on lakes and wide streams, I am looking at a rod length of 9, 9.5, or 10 feet. Having mostly fished with fly rods that are 9 feet, will I find a noticable difference by going to a 9.5 or 10 foot rod? If so, which of the two length would you recommend and why?
A faster and longer rod will make it easier for distance casting, but harder for short casts, especially if its a very fast rod. I think a 9 foot rod is long enough, I havent seen too many 10 foot 5 wts. If wind or distance is a problem you might as well get a heavier rod wt.
Ian
Ian,
Hmmm... curious whether you are suggesting that a rod longer than 9' (say 9'6" or 10') may increase casting distance over the base length of 9'?Quote:
A faster and longer rod will make it easier for distance casting
Cheers,
Hans W
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The only noticeable difference with a rod longer than 9 ft. that I can think of is that your arm will become tired more quickly. I have an old Sage RPL 10' 5 wt. that I haven't used in a long time. I couldn't cast any further, but I did get tired more quickly.
Larry Compton
I'm thinking of a 6# with a fast action to really see any differance.
I fish with a 10ft rod sometimes on the Tongariro, it makes mending at distance much easier but it does not increase my casting distance. The only way to cast further is to increase your line speed and stopping power with any length rod.
All the best.
Mike.
Well, we may as well confuse the issue real good.
Noticeable difference....? Easier to mend line in your moving water? Isn't that what they claim of spey rods?
We also have the rod Canoeman speaks of. We LOVE it! Seems to pick up more line over the poop we toss in. Though we don't utilize mending very much, the rod seems to do real well when it's tried. We DO NOT get tired tossing it. But then we are often tossing a 10wt all day with big bugs for LM's and stripers.
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Some of the sales rep I have spoken to have suggested that I consider a 9.5 or 10 foot rod over a 9 since I mainly fish lakes. They have also stated that if I were to fish from a float tube or pontoon boat that fly rods of 9.5 or longer are better suited for sitted fishing.
Not getting a warm fuzzing feeling from their explainations, I thought best to ask here before making a decision.
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Tyrone,
My fishing buddy uses a Sage 9.5' 5wt for float tube fishing our favorite lakes in NorCal. I use a Legend Ultra for tubing, it's fast. If you're a Sage fan try casting the XP at San Jose Fly Shop. I sometimes wish for a 6 wt when it's windy although if it's really windy I won't be out in my Fishcat.
I think a question that hasn't been brought up is how do you fish? Float tube? Drift Boat/ Wading river/stream, how deep and wide? Lake or pond? Canoe or Kayak? What are the conditions? Wind? Dry fly or wet? We can go on and on here. All this will help determin how long a rod you want and what will be best for you. IMOHO. For your conditons,my all around rod would be a 8-1/2 7 wt. There will be lots of you with other favorites and idea for sure. But then, thats why we post and ask these questions. Jonezee
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Tyronefly,
You will often see adverstising hype, sometimes repeated by flyshop staff, that a longer rod will benefit a float tuber since it will help keep the backcast off the water.
Well, if your back cast is hitting the water, that is because you are throwing the backcast down. If you go to a long rod, you will just hit the water a bit farther back. If you throw your backcast up, you won't it the water whether you are fishing a 7 ft rod or a 10ft rod.
I have a couple of 9ft 8wt rods and a 9.6 ft 8wt rod and find no practical difference between the two. I can cast each just as far.
I do find longer rods a benefit for mending line but they also wear me out a bit faster.
TyroneFly,
A 10' rod will (should!) keep your line 2 1/2' higher in the air than my 7 1/2' rod while casting from a float tube. It will probably keep your fish 1 1/2' further away from the net as you try to land it too! http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/smile.gif
Application of GOOD casting skills is FAR more advantageous than longer rods in overcomming defeciencies in casting while sitting.
....lee s.
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Jonezee,
When I fish lakes, they ones I have been to can be as deep as 50 or more feet. Generally I fish lakes whereby I wade in ankle to waist deep. It can be either dry or wet fishing depending on the structure of the lake.
Greg F,
Did you go to SJ Flyshop's spring fair this past Saturday? This was my second year at their show and I enjoyed it a lot. The casting seminars were very informative.
To add my $0.02. I recently bought a 10 ft 5wt. (TFO- I know made in Korea, but it feels so right and the price.....BONUS)
Anyway, I got out to the river today using WF5F Superfine with a 5' furled leader with 4' of tippet and I tell you, I love my boo, but this just turned into my go to rod.
It was breezy today, but I was able to cast a good distance but to top it off, I could mend all that line with ease.
My first choice was the St. Croix, but I liked the feel of the TFO better, but I did have a chance to try them out side by side.
Wasn't sure that I would like the grip, but it worked fantastic with the length.
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Tyrone,
No, I missed it. I got snowed in in Truckee Friday night when they closed I80 westbound.
Our club has a casting instructor that showed me how to slow down and feel my casting stroke for my new moderate action 4 wt rod. I got so used to the faster rod. Seems what I lack in finesse, I try to make up for with power. Doesn't work.
Greg
If you held a rod straight up (which you do not) while mending line the point where the line meets the water 30' away will increase only slightly by using a 6" longer rod.
As the rod tip is lowered towards horizontal that difference in distance where the line meets the water will be even less.
I think technique plays a much bigger roll in line mending than rod length.
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Hi Tyrone. I think I'm with the others, in that why the long length? There are specialized situations where a longer rod will do a better job, but day in and day out there is a (real) old rule of thumb that says that a good length of rod is 1.5 times your height. I think that there is some truth to that in that I like the way that <9 ft rods handle for me. I'm 5'10", and I like the balance and feel of rods in the 8 1/2 ft range. You're looking at some long rods there - do you need it? Just my 2c.
Bob
Fly Goddess....pls state what action your new 10' 5wt is. You obviouslydidn't have to overline it. Just curious with that long a rod what action you like on it? I am going to build a 3,4,&5 wt.....but not sure what action to aim for. I fish mostly lakes from a float tube.
Tyrone....this is a good thread, lots of good info I never knew. But, you have a curiosity about a 10' rod. You need to fish with one to satisfy that..."I Wonder" little thing in your brain. I am at the point where I am going to build a 10 footer now.....just because I want to.....and I don't even know what to expect. But I will know after I have done it.
Gem
Plain Old Jim
The TFO Pro is (to me) a med. to med/fast action (a lttle softer than the St Croix Avid). I do want to try Czech/Polish nymphing and on the forums they mention slow action, but Ryan Barnes told me to try a faster action, so I tried the St Croix, then I went to the Expo, and tried the TFO and I feel it has much more to offer instead of a once in awhile.
And roll casts........WOW!
The river I was fishing yesterday houses fish from 6" to 24" and I could feel everything, setting the hook was a breeze.
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Drats, I must be doing something wrong. I fish 7 1/2 to 8 foot rods.
I use the 10 footers a lot for steelheading. There is a definite advantage, in terms of line control. For trout fishing, if you do a lot of high stick nymphing, the 10 footers are nice.
There's no distance advantage, in terms of casting. Actually in some cases, its the opposite. If it's windy for example.
gadabout, Hey I am not saying that shorter aren't great. I will never get tired of my 7' boo or the trout-bum, far and fine, one ounce, but this was new and fun and proved to be of great use.
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"Drats, I must be doing something wrong. I fish 7 1/2 to 8 foot rods."
gadabout
Me too! Even when I am fishing from my float tube or kayak. I think longer rods help with line mending and also when fishing nymphs in bigger water.
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Fly Goddess,
Thanks for the info. Makes me feel better about the 10' 4wt medium to medium fast action blank I bought.
Sincerely,
Gem
My 0.02$ ...
My go to rod here is a 10ft 7 or 8 wt XP.
I guess I like it 'cause I always use it. I "feel" I can mend the line better and have more line control, ... Then again, ... maybe it's just covering up poor technic.
We roll cast quite a bit from a couple favourite casting positions ... so I think the longer rod helps.
(I'm REALLY getting scared about meeting LF 'n JC this summer, ... 'cause they are going to show me all the error of my ways http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/wink.gif )
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Some very good points all.
So I'll step into this one with both feet too. I picked up a TFO 9'6" 5wt a couple of years ago specifically for float tubing, thinking a little longer rod would help my casting distance. < BUZZ, wrong answer! >
My casting was the same ( awful ), until I spent some time practicing, and un-learning some bad habits. NOW I cast further and my presentations are better, but the rod length makes really no difference.
The upside is that the I love the TFO and I use it exclusively for all lake fishing.
Joe
If distance is the aim, 9'is the answer. It provides the optimal combination of length and line speed. No need to take my word for it. Just look at the rods used for distance casting in competition, whether with actual fishing tackle or with tournament tackle. 9' is the magic number.
Cheers,
Hans W
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cardiac,
Some tournament rod length restrictions apply, but this does not apply to all single hand flyrod events.
The key component is to get the rod to move at speed. The longer the rod, the more unwieldy it gets. If one could get the 10'rod to move as fast as the 9'rod, then a longer cast becomes a real proposition.
What casters have found is that it becomes a game of diminishing returns, with 9' being the sweet spot for single hand rods.
Cheers,
Hans W
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I have an 11 ft 6 wgt rod that was a lot of fun until I got too old to wave it for long periods. Its advantages are:
It roll casts beatifully.
Great for dapping on small streams.
High sticking is easier for me.
I can fish down stream with streamers and wets and cover a whole 25 ft wide stream bank to bank by wading down the middle. Hardly possible to mend at some distances I fish at, (sometimes 75 feet or more) but the extra length helps.
Fishing dry flies is no problem. After a long float, I allow the fly to drift to the shore below me then flip it upstream again as if it were a wet. No backcasting is necessary with good floatant.
Disadvantages:
Although not heavy by any means, it is more tiring.
Landing a sizeable fish can be a job in itself, a long handled net may help but I don't carry one. Beaching is an option if you intend to catch and cook.
The optimum length for an all around flyrod IMHO is 8'9" to 9'3".
Ol' Bill
1932
Cardiac,
That is another bag of worms....but I suspect you know that...