Now being an ice fisherman I have used oak-leaf grubs . They are black and will be almost translucent after being in the water for a while.They are a large grub probably 1/4 inch in diameter and found only in streams that don't dry up and littered with oak leaves .I have been told they are a crane fly larva.Then again when brought up at a FFF meeting I was told I was wrong ... but then again the smart one couldn't prove I was wrong or how he decided I was wrong ... got to love meeting the god of entomology >

[This message has been edited by ny angler (edited 02 April 2005).]