Wow what good info. Tks to all of you. Planet trout....tks for that link.... a ton of great information. I am going to try the San Diego Jam knot. I am curious about it. Some videos show it as one knot...and others run it thru the eye of the hook twiice and call it the double jam knot? I am curious if using 4lb flurocarbon and running it through the eye of the hook would be ok. Or should one just do the plain SD jam knot?